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ironman99

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97. Thinking about the SAVE act

Fri Mar 20, 2026, 05:03 AM

13 hrs ago

The brilliant scientists of the GOPOT really did not think this out.

All anyone who is born in the US gets at birth is a birth certificate. Nowhere on that certificate does it say that you are a citizen. It is a given from the 14th Amendment. We don't get a document from the federal government saying we are a citizen.

The GOPOT putting this codswallop together would like to get rid of the 14th Amendment as well. But if they do that here is what happens:

No passports as a birth certificate does not imply citizenship
No "Real ID" as a birth certificate does not imply citizenship
The only people with proof of citizenship are those immigrants who passed the citizenship test and received a certificate signed by a judge or other officiant at their swearing in ceremony.

Requiring passports, "Real ID" or birth certificates will not allow you to vote as the birth certificate does not imply citizenship without the 14th Amendment which the GOPOT wants to get rid of.

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How many can locate their birth certificate in order to vote? [View all] kentuck Yesterday OP

Who will be training poll workers how to authenticate birth certificates? Tim S Yesterday #1

Need the birth certificate to register to vote Kaleva 21 hrs ago #61

We Have Our BCs ProfessorGAC Yesterday #2

When all this nonsense started redstatebluegirl 21 hrs ago #55

My Passport Expired ProfessorGAC 21 hrs ago #56

Please get her a real id! redstatebluegirl 21 hrs ago #57

Real ID does not prove citizenship, Ms. Toad 16 hrs ago #94

And yet, to get a Real ID Bettie 11 hrs ago #100

No. Citizenship isn't required to get a RealID. Ms. Toad 7 hrs ago #108

No, it isn't Bettie 6 hrs ago #109

I was explaining why they can't use RealID for voter registration/reregistration under the Save Act - Ms. Toad 3 hrs ago #110

The weird part is that the rules vary from state to state Bettie 2 hrs ago #114

I said that in the first post you responded to. Ms. Toad 43 min ago #117

Those are 'Enhanced ID'. In New York at least, they cost $30 more than Real ID; and both are still being issued lostnfound 6 min ago #118

It Was A Tangential Point ProfessorGAC 9 hrs ago #106

Only 5 states have a real id that certifies citizenship UpInArms 11 hrs ago #101

I had to get a recertified one from Ohio last year underpants Yesterday #3

New York State took 6 months & cost over $70 Tim S Yesterday #5

Yeah I knew someone who discovered his name was misspelled underpants Yesterday #17

You got off lucky with that price tonkatoy8888 Yesterday #35

Yes they will. Funny I haven't heard that discussed much underpants Yesterday #41

That would be an issue for me. Ms. Toad 16 hrs ago #95

And those of us women who grew up with the tradition of taking husband's surname are gonna have to fight to vote Attilatheblond Yesterday #4

And if you married more than once it's even more of a battle. quaint Yesterday #29

Took first husband's surname because that was the general rule way back then Attilatheblond 21 hrs ago #58

My first wife kept her family name. Squaredeal 10 hrs ago #105

I renewed my passport last year. Ritabert Yesterday #6

I know where my bc is get the red out Yesterday #7

Would I still have to get a passport to vote? EarthAbides Yesterday #8

If you have an Enhanced ID with a flag -- not a regular REAL ID with a star -- pnwmom 23 hrs ago #47

That's what I've told my daughter. bamagal62 21 hrs ago #63

I have both. nt doc03 Yesterday #9

I carry both (or a copy) with me at all times. Even in California. usonian Yesterday #10

Me too, copies, California, skin. quaint Yesterday #30

Good luck evading the skin police. And congratulations on hitting the 5000 post milestone. usonian Yesterday #32

In my safe at home, right where it should be - along with the passports. PeaceWave Yesterday #11

I have the birth certificate and passport in my lockbox. MineralMan Yesterday #12

California foothills, a "go bag" is part of life. usonian Yesterday #34

In 2019, my dad passed away from Alzheimers. His documentation, DL, birth cert, SS card etc were long missing. My sister FSogol Yesterday #13

My grandfather had three different birth dates on his official documents. hunter 17 hrs ago #91

... 2naSalit Yesterday #14

OP, do you know what county and state you were born in? PeaceWave Yesterday #15

My birth certificate name doesn't match the name I've used since I was 4 yrs old. pat_k Yesterday #16

This is worrisome. Your case is exactly the kind that could be affected by the SAVE Act... PeaceWave Yesterday #18

My sister got her first passport in the name she always used with just an affidavit from my mom. pat_k Yesterday #26

pat_k..your situation is just like mine. I had to get a family lawyer and all my papers together and let a judge Deuxcents Yesterday #31

Name change by usage is perfectly legal. pat_k Yesterday #37

If they're gonna require this, then they should extend the hours or make it simpler. What a hassle Deuxcents 22 hrs ago #49

I had the same problem and couldn't get a enhanced license ribrepin 18 hrs ago #71

Interesting. pat_k 18 hrs ago #85

I worked on getting a name change through the courts for years ribrepin 11 hrs ago #98

My situation is somewhat similar - I have a birth certificate that bears no resemblance to my current name TBF 18 hrs ago #87

I have an enhanced drivers license in Michigan that is usable as id. Srkdqltr Yesterday #19

Anticipating this chicanery my folks got me an official copy... Hugin Yesterday #20

Sounds like my then 73 year old Mom carrying around her original Central American passport... PeaceWave Yesterday #25

aren't you the one who said what's the problem with showing ID? Skittles 23 hrs ago #48

Okay, first off, you're entirely too angry. Second, I once asked the question... PeaceWave 19 hrs ago #67

Anyone who is not 'entirely too angry' is perhaps not paying enough attention.... Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #69

My advice...Know what you want to be angry about and who you want to direct that anger at. PeaceWave 18 hrs ago #70

The same to you! Jack Valentino 18 hrs ago #74

oh there is ANOTHER option Skittles 18 hrs ago #76

DAMN straight Skittles 18 hrs ago #78

and in this context, sounds a little bit like 'mansplaining'.... amirite or Jack Valentino 17 hrs ago #88

DU is my oasis from repuke garbage Skittles 17 hrs ago #89

if you are ANYTHING but VERY ANGRY right now Skittles 18 hrs ago #75

See Post 70 PeaceWave 18 hrs ago #77

PASS Skittles 18 hrs ago #79

WEAK. Jack Valentino 17 hrs ago #90

probably busy with their "$3 meal" Skittles 17 hrs ago #92

I have my birth certificate. City Lights Yesterday #21

I can. ananda Yesterday #22

I have mine. Faux pas Yesterday #23

I do SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #24

I have a birth certificate and a passport. greatauntoftriplets Yesterday #27

Had to send away for a certified certificate to get my cachukis Yesterday #28

Me, because I did membership for DAR last year obamanut2012 Yesterday #33

I can, and I have a current passport. maxsolomon Yesterday #36

Write away for the birth certificate now. Mine came in just a couple of weeks, though it cost $40. Scrivener7 Yesterday #38

I have Rebl2 Yesterday #39

The bill disproportionately affects married women - women are more likely to vote Democrat, people who are trans - Doodley Yesterday #40

I thought married women were more likely to vote Republican... PeaceWave Yesterday #45

NOT IN THE NEXT ELECTION Skittles 18 hrs ago #82

Not black women Keepthesoulalive 16 hrs ago #96

ACTUALLY, 'married women' according to polls are MUCH more likely to vote Republican, Jack Valentino 18 hrs ago #73

Newsflash: The birth certificate your mom saved from your original birthday doesn't count. milestogo Yesterday #42

When markodochartaigh Yesterday #43

i think i can manage rampartd Yesterday #44

I was born in Germany while my father was stationed there during the cold war LetMyPeopleVote 23 hrs ago #46

Nope, neither one Bayard 22 hrs ago #50

There would be court challenges galore. Elections are state matters. valleyrogue 22 hrs ago #51

I've had reason to peruse old census records, 1800-say 1950 bucolic_frolic 22 hrs ago #52

I had my original birth certificate vankuria 21 hrs ago #53

I have an up-to-date passport Maeve 21 hrs ago #54

I have my BC due to having to get a REAL ID. Jacson6 21 hrs ago #59

Same here. moondust 18 hrs ago #80

I can. 🙂 nt Raine 21 hrs ago #60

Mine is in a file in the office Kaleva 21 hrs ago #62

We have important papers file Tree Lady 21 hrs ago #64

I took the Girl Scout motto - "Be Prepared" - as my life plan Totally Tunsie 19 hrs ago #65

I just ordered a new one for one of my children Melon 19 hrs ago #66

I have a copy of my birth certificate, but not the original--- nor do I have a passport... Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #68

Churches Avalon Sparks 18 hrs ago #72

I have both, but I need to renew my passport karynnj 18 hrs ago #81

Since Covid I have Roc2020 18 hrs ago #83

In anticipation Traildogbob 18 hrs ago #84

Problem is many only have the hospital issue not official document... Historic NY 18 hrs ago #86

mine is in the file cabinet right next to this chair yellowdogintexas 17 hrs ago #93

Thinking about the SAVE act ironman99 13 hrs ago #97

Nope, I've only seen it once when my mother took me to get my driver's license Rhiannon12866 11 hrs ago #99

The Answer SHOULD BE 100%! ForeGoneLegsBirne 11 hrs ago #102

To collect Social Security, you will need to prove who you are. Croney 10 hrs ago #103

I have all of my family's birth certificates Bettie 10 hrs ago #104

I carry an expired passport with me but does that count? LSparkle 8 hrs ago #107

My wife and I were both born in 1947 PCB66 3 hrs ago #111

My passport and birth certificate are in the same desk on which my PC resides Shrek 3 hrs ago #112

I do, but that's only because I needed it as part of the dependent verification package for haele 2 hrs ago #113

I live in the EU, so I need my passport constantly DFW 2 hrs ago #115

Top drawer of the file cabinet,,,, lastlib 54 min ago #116