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MadameButterfly

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13. i thought your description of Keller's position
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 09:22 PM
Mar 15

was fair, explaining the limitations of what they knew and how her position evolved. But your conflict on hearing her affiliation with eugenics reminded me of my family members and college community who made similar discoveries.

I still think when examining people's positions in the past we need to consider their experience of the times, even with something as abominable as slavery. Thomas Jefferson hoped to end slavery when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, but he lived with slaves all his life. There were abolitionists who wanted the South to secede, so the North would not be tarnished with it's evil. Frederick Douglass wondered how that would help the slaves. Douglass also experienced racism from abolitionists he worked with, and the abolitionist movement to a large extent was fine with leaving in place another kind of bondage that women experienced. Abraham Lincoln actively explored the idea of sending Negroes back to Africa. Going back further, Benjamin Franklin had to be taught by a schoolteacher that Negro children really were capable of learning.

These were not all people bereft of conscience and a capacity for empathy. They were raised in the beliefs and understanding of their time, with different levels of commitment to breaking with the established system, and without the benefit of our experience. Some of them, like Helen Keller, learned. Others didn't. And of course there were a lot of cruel people in the mix.

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Helen Keller: [View all] applegrove Mar 15 OP
I have gained a new respect for Ms. Keller--- lastlib Mar 15 #1
One of the first books I read as a child was about Kelller applegrove Mar 15 #2
I remember reading one too.... lastlib Mar 15 #7
Yes, me too senseandsensibility Mar 15 #8
That is so cool. I just remember the spelling of wa-t-t-er. applegrove Mar 16 #14
I had that book too! PCIntern Mar 16 #16
I can't picture my book. I think it was blue but I'm not sure. We did not applegrove Mar 16 #17
Did you also get Weekly Reader Children's Book Club? PCIntern Mar 16 #21
Nope. No book clubs. applegrove Mar 16 #22
Understood. PCIntern Mar 16 #23
I just got Amelia Bedelia for my great niece. My grandmother applegrove Mar 16 #24
Never read it but distinctly recall PCIntern Mar 16 #25
I also had one about Ben Franklin senseandsensibility Mar 16 #20
Helen Keller was a strong supporter of the wnylib Mar 15 #6
I think sometimes it's unfair for us to judge people of that time MadameButterfly Mar 15 #11
My post was not a judgment of Keller. wnylib Mar 15 #12
i thought your description of Keller's position MadameButterfly Mar 15 #13
Canada's favourite person was Tommy Douglas who introduced applegrove Mar 16 #18
Yup. The application of the faulty scientific reasoning wnylib Mar 16 #19
"Then Nazis showed up on the world stage, did the holocaust, and that was the end of eugenics." TheProle Mar 16 #26
End of the progressive fad of eugenics. The right wing applegrove Mar 16 #27
Careful there. Helen Keller was a radical leftist. DJ Synikus Makisimus Mar 15 #3
I didn't know that but samplegirl Mar 16 #15
Helen Keller was amazing.. whathehell Mar 15 #4
The movie "The Miracle Worker" is so good. twodogsbarking Mar 15 #5
His6ory books never seem to mention Warpy Mar 15 #9
i was at helen kellers home. i didn't take time to go in to her house but i did walk thru the displays in her garden. dawn5651 Mar 15 #10
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