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Oneironaut

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76. "Programmers" don't just write code, though.
Wed Feb 11, 2026, 12:45 PM
14 hrs ago

The term “programmer” is a really broad term that can be anything from someone writing simple html / JavaScript to really complex endeavors that require a deeper knowledge of a field, e.g. niche low level systems programming as an example. Ultimately, “programming” is a continual process. If you can just prompt AI for code and that works, that’s fine - you’re probably developing a simple app that hopefully won’t need much maintenance. However, you also need to know how to support that app when something goes wrong. You really need all the skills you would have needed to develop the app in the first replace to actually support it.

This is where “vibe coding” fails. Maintaining software is as complex, if not more complex than building it in the first place. I can’t imagine the nightmare of slapping a bunch of AI code into a product that no one knows how it works, and, expecting to have a stable end result. That sounds absolutely terrible and like a lot more work in the long run.

Part of the problem as well is that, in a lot of circumstances, to actually get code back that they need, someone would need to have the experience to know what to ask for (in your case, the person who would check the code accuracy). Time could be saved that way, but, expertise is still needed.

I use LLMs like ChatGPT all the time. However, I see their limitations. LLMs like ChatGPT are still glorified search engines to me. On them, I find things I struggle to find on search engines - mostly by scraping StackOverflow I think. The explanations for solving problems are always mediocre - I feel like they could mislead you if you are looking for a correct explanation. They do have decent accuracy, but, we have a long way to go.

I’m definitely open to changing my opinion in the future, though, as “AI” grows and matures.

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AI: Something Big Is Happening [View all] LiberalArkie 17 hrs ago OP
Skynet becomes self-aware. sop 17 hrs ago #1
Yep. OldBaldy1701E 15 hrs ago #43
I'm not very tech-y at all so Alliepoo 14 hrs ago #70
Yeah, I have a WIFI camera here as well. OldBaldy1701E 11 hrs ago #97
Sounds like my house, too DFW 14 hrs ago #75
I have been involved with IT. OldBaldy1701E 11 hrs ago #98
The closest I came was allowing Alexa to turn off lights when requested mdbl 12 hrs ago #92
Applause. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 11 hrs ago #99
1984... The film, "Electric Dreams"... ultralite001 12 hrs ago #94
I vaguely remember that film! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 11 hrs ago #101
🤣🤣🤣 ultralite001 3 hrs ago #146
That's what I think every time I see an article about AI FoxNewsSucks 13 hrs ago #79
The science fiction of our younger years has spent the subsequent years becoming reality.... Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #144
Wow! Kid Berwyn 17 hrs ago #2
I am waiting on the MRI and CTSCAN data to actually get implemented into AI LiberalArkie 17 hrs ago #4
A Miracle Kid Berwyn 17 hrs ago #15
Freakononics on NPR ran a amall series in this ending yesterday. mahina 15 hrs ago #45
One problem with CT/MRI scans Old Crank 15 hrs ago #53
But not in the developed world where CT scans cost less than $100 LiberalArkie 15 hrs ago #59
That reminds me of Star Trek. pandr32 15 hrs ago #55
Wait until a physics AI develops faster than light drives and fusion power and better is developed LiberalArkie 15 hrs ago #62
Hopeful! pandr32 14 hrs ago #65
Sooner of later the U.S. will join the rest of the world in recognizing that the citizens are its income source and LiberalArkie 14 hrs ago #68
Who needs people? PatSeg 17 hrs ago #5
The Universe Kid Berwyn 17 hrs ago #16
That's it in a nutshell. Thanks. TheRickles 15 hrs ago #40
The only safe jobs are barbers and morticians Renew Deal 17 hrs ago #9
Truly! Not to argue... Kid Berwyn 16 hrs ago #23
Ditto! True Dough 5 hrs ago #130
That article is mostly marketing hype and not even close to reality. tinrobot 4 hrs ago #142
Huh, the CEO of an AI company tells me I need to adopt AI? Never would have guessed. Anyone who's familiar with WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #3
He was also urging people on X to invest in AI companies as the best way to survive. One of the highplainsdem 17 hrs ago #10
yeah he's been involved with a few shady investment schemes iirc WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #11
Pfffft Prairie Gates 17 hrs ago #6
A heart for that Easterncedar 17 hrs ago #7
Anyone that thinks AI is a fad is badly mistaken Renew Deal 17 hrs ago #8
I think most people are rightfully extremely concerned what this means for jobs (among other things) but mostly jobs themaguffin 17 hrs ago #12
Not a fad. AI is the devil. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #13
According to this guy, here's what you should do about the upcoming AI apocalypse... EarlG 17 hrs ago #14
Thank you. You can tell this is just a sales pitch. Oneironaut 15 hrs ago #38
Won't reach 100% perfectionl Old Crank 14 hrs ago #63
"Programmers" don't just write code, though. Oneironaut 14 hrs ago #76
Did you read the part where the newest AI debugs the code as well? scipan 12 hrs ago #93
Tbh, I'll believe it when I see it. Oneironaut 11 hrs ago #100
Matt Shumer, who wrote that hype, is well known for hype, has been accused of fraud, and has an highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #125
News articles that are actually shady sales pitches have been around since newspapers started. Crowman2009 15 hrs ago #48
The guy who wrote that advises people to buy AI company stock so they won't need jobs. highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #61
As if people have enough money or will earn enough dividends to live on. Crowman2009 14 hrs ago #78
Vernon Vinge wrote the Singularity about ever evolving AI Swede 17 hrs ago #17
Using it all the time now, it's incredible Johnny2X2X 17 hrs ago #18
Imagine the outcry when painters (artists) started using pre-prepared paints instead of creating their own when creating LiberalArkie 16 hrs ago #21
Good way to look at it Johnny2X2X 16 hrs ago #24
YES popsdenver 15 hrs ago #60
Not at all the same thing. Using genAI is more like hiring someone else to do the work for you and highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #37
Absolutely! SheltieLover 14 hrs ago #74
So you think people should quit their jobs? Johnny2X2X 13 hrs ago #83
But God forbid we should be able to use non-HP toner ink, or fix a tractor or combine we already paid for! hatrack 4 hrs ago #140
It will be a wonderful world... hunter 16 hrs ago #26
This guy is full of shit. hunter 17 hrs ago #19
Well stated. GreenWave 16 hrs ago #33
AI is not the "Devil" justaprogressive 16 hrs ago #20
We had no problem when the pencil was created and humans stopped using charcoal. LiberalArkie 16 hrs ago #22
My nearly 60 years in IT says this is different. justaprogressive 16 hrs ago #25
I am old enough to remember when the languages come out (C, Fortran etc) and writing in Assembler was being looked LiberalArkie 16 hrs ago #28
Computers Johnny2X2X 16 hrs ago #30
I think it might really be great when the AI's can create a modern processing structure that can replace the LiberalArkie 16 hrs ago #35
It really will be a sea of new and more useful features for things we already use Johnny2X2X 15 hrs ago #39
Again, not at all the same thing. See reply 37. highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #57
Holy cadookalas! cachukis 16 hrs ago #27
Anti-AI Crusaders should think about redirecting their energies to UBI TheProle 16 hrs ago #29
And one more reason why the US needs to change to universal healthcare, area51 12 hrs ago #91
Is it time for this , again ? dweller 16 hrs ago #31
How long before some idiot hands over control of the BIG RED BUTTON to AI? Ferrets are Cool 16 hrs ago #32
About minus one year. usonian 15 hrs ago #51
If nobody has a job... Happy Hoosier 16 hrs ago #34
Sorry, but, this is vastly overestimating the capabilities of AI. Oneironaut 16 hrs ago #36
It's definitely improving rapidly. Lucky Luciano 15 hrs ago #46
There's no point in trying to fight it? Wrong. There's every reason to fight it, for our freedom from highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #69
It's not just to misrepresent one's own intellect. A lot of use cases are pretty mundane. Lucky Luciano 13 hrs ago #80
I'm sorry... hunter 13 hrs ago #90
Your life sounds sad and woesome. nt Tommy Carcetti 7 hrs ago #115
?? Lucky Luciano 6 hrs ago #117
Whenever new AI models are revealed, there's always trememdous hype about how amazing they are, highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #73
thanks . by your command. AllaN01Bear 15 hrs ago #41
What about the AI Agent platform that has been created and is AI only yobrault1 15 hrs ago #42
That's already been exposed as mostly fraud, with humans having written the posts getting the highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #66
Next step Mosby 15 hrs ago #44
Can A I replace dweller 15 hrs ago #47
Corporate executives are an AI job replacement I would approve of! Crowman2009 15 hrs ago #50
I have been using the paid versions of GPT and Claude for a while now Disaffected 15 hrs ago #49
Agree Johnny2X2X 11 hrs ago #107
Yes, I've had it do some VBA/Excel as well. Disaffected 10 hrs ago #108
I, for one, am eager for the day when... WestMichRad 15 hrs ago #52
Bernie Sanders nails it, as usual. usonian 15 hrs ago #54
Think of all the scribes that were put out of work when Gutenberg invented the printing press. LiberalArkie 15 hrs ago #56
Gutenberg, Edison and whoever did not set out to destroy an entire class and population usonian 14 hrs ago #67
In my Petro space, we are eliminating jobs Melon 15 hrs ago #58
What kind of world do you want to retire into? hunter 13 hrs ago #86
Technology can't go backwards Melon 12 hrs ago #95
We sound old ThreeNoSeep 14 hrs ago #64
The literal #1 job growth opportunity for the next 10 years? Moostache 14 hrs ago #71
Worthy of an OP usonian 14 hrs ago #77
Yours is an impressive, thoughtful response. yonder 11 hrs ago #105
Not willing to give up our fresh water for this Wild blueberry 14 hrs ago #72
I never understood the water usage. LiberalArkie 13 hrs ago #82
Many data centers use evaporative cooling. hunter 10 hrs ago #109
My entire life has been ever-more-rapid technological change Soul_of_Wit 13 hrs ago #81
I did it at 65. I was just really tired and inside felt that I was dying. LiberalArkie 13 hrs ago #84
I've been in IT for over 30 years angrychair 13 hrs ago #85
It is already replacing entry-level jobs Soul_of_Wit 13 hrs ago #88
No business has shown an ROI angrychair 12 hrs ago #96
The stats TheProle 9 hrs ago #112
The stats are awful angrychair 7 hrs ago #116
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Mollick is one of the biggest shills for the AI industry. highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #122
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The messenger in the OP, Matt Shumer, is already known for both hype and fraud. highplainsdem 4 hrs ago #132
What do you think happens in the collapse? Renew Deal 4 hrs ago #133
lets see lapfog_1 3 hrs ago #145
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Those are pilots Renew Deal 5 hrs ago #128
By that standard, Trump was doing things right with all his business failures. highplainsdem 4 hrs ago #134
Those were not pilots Renew Deal 4 hrs ago #135
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Oh, Please DarthDem 13 hrs ago #89
7x8 equals 56 usedtobedemgurl 11 hrs ago #102
A very plausible timeline of the next couple of years: LudwigPastorius 11 hrs ago #103
Ohh Hell LiberalArkie 9 hrs ago #111
Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo Torchlight 11 hrs ago #104
Visual representation RoseTrellis 11 hrs ago #106
Can We Use AI To Help Rid Us Of Tr**p?....nt9 global1 10 hrs ago #110
Matt Shumer is known for overhyping and has been accused of fraud. See this: highplainsdem 7 hrs ago #113
Bank on this: Basic income, universal healthcare, inheritance for all, and... pat_k 7 hrs ago #114
No way that's going to happen with the AI bros and the Trump regime. And their intent is to rig highplainsdem 6 hrs ago #118
30 to 40 million displaced white collar workers would make a hell of a noise. pat_k 5 hrs ago #123
I think that only becomes possible after significant poverty and destruction Renew Deal 5 hrs ago #131
If the predicted 50% of the 70 million or so white collar/professionals/knowledge workers lose their jobs. pat_k 4 hrs ago #139
LOL!!! Matt Shumer's company offers AI generators for "team member praise" and heartfelt sympathy highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #119
LOL! Shumer needed AI to help him write that piece! Talk about someone being AI-dependent...but highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #120
LiberalArkie, did you bother to find out ANYTHING about Matt Shumer's background before you posted this? highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #127
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou 5 hrs ago #129
AI slop using tools trained on stolen intellectual property. highplainsdem 4 hrs ago #136
Tell that to the illustrator Miyu, plus Andrew Holmes & Cosmoz Productions sakabatou 4 hrs ago #138
It's a chatbot with a very annoying voice. And they won't reveal the training data, which suggests very highplainsdem 4 hrs ago #141
Reddit thread on Shumer's hypefest: highplainsdem 4 hrs ago #143
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