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karynnj

(60,930 posts)
92. Elections are more complicated than progressive vs moderate
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 12:10 PM
Dec 2025

It is never really possible to know where the path not taken would have led. The question is not generic progressive vs generic moderate. The question is would any person who could have run done better.

What seems clear is than TN Democrats ran a candidate who ran an excellent race. At least from what was seen from a distance, she was smart and personable and was able to reach many people on a one to one basis. Given the results, she won over many people who usually would have voted Republican.

This was against a Republican who, while supporting Trump's agenda, had a background that included West Point, the military, and public service jobs. He, as an outsider himself, said he made affordability as an issue.

The Democratic nominee was the winner in a crowded field. Rather than Kornackie's observation that her shift was smaller and IMPLICITLY postulating that, all things being equal, there is some underlying shift that is constant across the country, I would be more impressed by some local analysis that argued that some specific candidate would have gotten all the votes she did and would have moved a percentage of some specific group who voted Republican.

A local analysis is very unlikely to happen. There are no exit polls on something like this and there will be no polls now that ask people who they would have voted for between a specific Democratic alternative and Van Epps as well as who they had preferred in the election.

One thing I hate about Kornacki's simplistic analysis is that it hits a candidate who ran a good race and gave her all and the local party that supported her. It ignores the real complexity of an election that depends on everything from who BOTH candidates are, the resources behind each, the strength of the local outreach GOTV, the media which almost everywhere leans right, and the voters in the district. Here, the district was gerrymandered to be very Republican as they split up Nashville.

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Im pretty sure Boo1 Dec 2025 #1
Wow. senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #4
I agree LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #28
Agree and its the same with Tennessee aeromanKC Dec 2025 #2
I actually confused TN with KY in my OP at first senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #6
Everyone makes mistakes MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #42
Thanks senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #50
It was Tennessee and she won a primary against 3 other Democrats Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2025 #3
Fixed it senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #7
Good! n/t Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2025 #8
Progressive Democrats should definetly run ... PBC_Democrat Dec 2025 #37
Gillum didn't lose because he was a progressive. carpetbagger Dec 2025 #54
Aftyn Behn won 78.8% of the Nashville vote on Tuesday. Tanuki Dec 2025 #59
I agree that Graham would have beaten DeathSantis LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #69
That narrative is what gets me in trouble with Democrats. gab13by13 Dec 2025 #5
I'm personally for the most liberal candidate in almost all situations senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #10
Give me one example where the DNC said gab13by13 Dec 2025 #16
I'm guessing that there are Bettie Dec 2025 #31
I don't really care what the DNC thinks senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #32
i saw them tank a progressive for a moderate. they lost. we got roscum. mopinko Dec 2025 #65
I'm with you gab Docreed2003 Dec 2025 #48
I kind of doubt it. yardwork Dec 2025 #9
Yes, I agree that the more progressive senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #11
I think that's what we need. yardwork Dec 2025 #13
Agree 👍 anciano Dec 2025 #12
Wresting power from the Republican party Alsteen Dec 2025 #14
No n/t leftstreet Dec 2025 #15
You just said what I was trying to say. gab13by13 Dec 2025 #18
NO... 2naSalit Dec 2025 #17
So a candidate that ran a Bernie type campaign Emile Dec 2025 #19
My whole OP was a question senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #20
You should ask Jason Kanew n/t leftstreet Dec 2025 #21
Passive aggressives use questions to push a point. Bobstandard Dec 2025 #62
So you're calling me passive aggressive without actually doing so? senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #64
Thicker skin. Shorter fuse. Bobstandard Dec 2025 #66
I think you answered your own question.... getagrip_already Dec 2025 #26
I'm sorry, but the only ones doing a purity test Emile Dec 2025 #30
how so? getagrip_already Dec 2025 #40
So the only ones that do purity tests are progressives. Emile Dec 2025 #49
Still dont get it getagrip_already Dec 2025 #88
I get it just fine thank you. Emile Dec 2025 #89
Who said that? getagrip_already Dec 2025 #93
Bookmarking Emile Dec 2025 #94
There is no argument to follow, so you got it right. Nixie Dec 2025 #90
She won the primary. returnee Dec 2025 #34
that is very true, but a primary, especially in a special, is a very progressive race... getagrip_already Dec 2025 #38
Probably correct. It's hard to make predictions based upon a special election with significantly lower turnout Silent Type Dec 2025 #22
Probably not. It wasn't a winnable district Jose Garcia Dec 2025 #23
Good question: Aftyn Behn would have done better or won, Ars Longa Dec 2025 #24
I didn't hear about the country music thing until the day after the election senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #27
I love country music. returnee Dec 2025 #35
Old country was OK- Modern "Bro Country" sounds like has been Ars Longa Dec 2025 #43
Yes, give me Willie and Waylon and Johnny Cash and Dolly senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #47
I go back to Appalachian folk ballads and fiddle tunes... returnee Dec 2025 #72
Merle Haggard? Liberal? returnee Dec 2025 #73
By "these days" I take it you mean the last quarter century? johnp3907 Dec 2025 #84
I really doubt it mvd Dec 2025 #25
Republican-lite always loses to a real Republican Fiendish Thingy Dec 2025 #29
Harry Truman Emile Dec 2025 #63
Exactly correct Deminpenn Dec 2025 #67
Seems a bit irrelevant... EarlG Dec 2025 #33
You nailed it MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #45
It's true that rehashing would have been could have been scenarios senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #53
"...old markodochartaigh Dec 2025 #57
Plenty of red state moderate incumbents have lost to MAGA Republicans over the years IronLionZion Dec 2025 #36
What are the actual examples of progressive winning in deep red states? RoeVWade Dec 2025 #39
Was the lack of voter turnout an issue? czarjak Dec 2025 #41
No. They said the same things about the moderate dem candidates here. 2 Meow Momma Dec 2025 #44
No...absolutely not Docreed2003 Dec 2025 #46
This +1 Emile Dec 2025 #52
Her message was very mainstream. Bluetus Dec 2025 #60
I never said that she was "too progressive" Docreed2003 Dec 2025 #71
My apologies. You are correct. I replied to the wrong post Bluetus Dec 2025 #78
It didn't help that she was female. Beshear is liberal, but he is a white man and he wins everywhere in KY Wanderlust988 Dec 2025 #51
Sadly, I'm sure that was a factor. senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #56
It was highly highly unlikely that we were going to win it ibegurpard Dec 2025 #55
No. Nashville/Davidson County's rock solid Democratic congressional district Tanuki Dec 2025 #58
Thanks senseandsensibility Dec 2025 #61
The election in a deep red district, and the outcome, is scaring the hell out of the white supremacy Tr**plicans. NNadir Dec 2025 #68
We've been running to the center for 45 years. Gore1FL Dec 2025 #70
There have been many moderate southern Dems over the past few decades. Wanderlust988 Dec 2025 #74
Never heard of Jasmine Crockett? Emile Dec 2025 #77
She's in a very Democratic district Wanderlust988 Dec 2025 #81
Used to be a very democratic district. Emile Dec 2025 #82
I want what you are smoking. Even Jasmine knows this and will likely run for the Senate Wanderlust988 Dec 2025 #85
Keep your personal judgement against fellow duers, Emile Dec 2025 #87
You are right. Everyone knows that red districts are different Nixie Dec 2025 #91
Maybe we should try; I remember similar arguments regarding what was possible in 2008. Gore1FL Dec 2025 #83
Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock won in Georgia...but they are male Wanderlust988 Dec 2025 #75
No matter how 'moderate' the candidate is, the GQP will label them "socialist communist fascist radical left Jack Valentino Dec 2025 #76
Done better perhaps, but not won Justice Brandeis Dec 2025 #79
There are different meanings of "progressive" and "moderate". MervinFerd Dec 2025 #80
What does "moderate" even mean in this context? Crunchy Frog Dec 2025 #86
Elections are more complicated than progressive vs moderate karynnj Dec 2025 #92
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