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pat_k

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41. Finland has a centralized network of underground pipes to distribute steam (geothermal)....
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:54 PM
Dec 2025

... that is seemingly better suited to adaptation to distribute waste heat from data centers

This type of "district heating" infrastructure is more common in countries that employ more geothermal energy. It is apparently a less common type of heating system here.

Perhaps it is time places in the U.S. that are in the most need of efficient heating start exploring such centralized options. Seems it would be feasible in many high-density areas (e.g., upgrades of old systems and implementation of new systems in high-density areas -- e.g., much of the corridor from Fairfield, CT, to NYC, to Hoboken, the Palisades, and Union City...)

Question (Yeah, I know, problematic construction):
"Where in the United States is the infrastructure for district heating through underground pipes, similar to what they have in Finland, used."

Answer from Gemini (take with whatever grains of salt you apply to any AI summary)

Yes, the United States has a long-standing history of district heating infrastructure, particularly in the form of downtown steam districts in cities like New York, Boston, and Philadelphia. While not as extensive as Finland's modern systems, these steam networks have been in operation since the late 19th century, heating numerous downtown buildings and campuses. Some of these systems have been updated from older steam-based technology, while new, more advanced systems are also being implemented in various locations, though they are not as common as in Europe.

New York City: Has one of the oldest and largest steam districts in the US, with underground pipes distributing steam to a large portion of Manhattan.

Boston and Philadelphia: Also have active steam districts in their downtown areas, using a system that heats buildings and campuses.

Downtown Dayton, Ohio: Historically had a large steam heating system that powered downtown buildings and industries, with some lines still in place today.

Newer systems: While less common than in Europe, modern district heating systems using hot water instead of steam are being implemented in various locations for new developments or upgrades to existing infrastructure. These systems can use a variety of energy sources, including geothermal, waste heat from data centers, and other renewable sources.

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Interesting but I doubt it will happen here only because it sounds expensive newdeal2 Dec 2025 #1
If it adds a nickel of cost to the opium dreams of AI developers, it will never happen. hatrack Dec 2025 #2
Excellent true words! chouchou Dec 2025 #19
And if it additionally drmeow Dec 2025 #40
NIMBY modrepub Dec 2025 #8
Unless they charge users for the heat and/or energy Auggie Dec 2025 #13
Here in the AZ borderlands, where people face drilling deeper well to reach lowering, disappearing water table Attilatheblond Dec 2025 #22
Finland has a centralized network of underground pipes to distribute steam (geothermal).... pat_k Dec 2025 #41
Finland's underlying granite is home to lots of infrastructure. thought crime Dec 2025 #46
Yeah, it makes way too much sense. sop Dec 2025 #3
Never work in the USA - it it's not making a profit it is dead on arrival. walkingman Dec 2025 #4
Yeah. This would save on heating costs. Trump only applegrove Dec 2025 #6
BINGO! OldBaldy1701E Dec 2025 #9
What about all the data centers in the South? Ursus Rex Dec 2025 #5
An argument for moving data centers to Alaska or more densely populated cold places in the "snowbelt." pat_k Dec 2025 #42
This is a nice thing OnionPatch Dec 2025 #7
Please explain how that helps the fossil fuel industry. JohnnyRingo Dec 2025 #10
Are you talking to me? It doesn't help the fossil fuel industry. applegrove Dec 2025 #11
I was being sarcastic. JohnnyRingo Dec 2025 #12
Sorry. I get it now. I didn't think you were a troll applegrove Dec 2025 #14
I was being sarcastic again. JohnnyRingo Dec 2025 #17
LOL! applegrove Dec 2025 #18
Well, I for one knew where you were coming from in the first few words. Cheers! erronis Dec 2025 #16
It takes huge amounts of Electricity popsdenver Dec 2025 #37
Of course it helps the fossil fuel industry... NewLarry Dec 2025 #26
Rec jfz9580m Dec 2025 #45
And when they finally figure out the data centers are worthless and shut them down? erronis Dec 2025 #15
Putting them underground also helps with noise and space constraints IronLionZion Dec 2025 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Rendville Dec 2025 #21
Trump would have his peons bomb the place. twodogsbarking Dec 2025 #23
Finland and Iceland are already positioned to take advantage of this kind of technology... Ol Janx Spirit Dec 2025 #24
Yeah, he'll call them underground wind mills or some such shit. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 2025 #25
I don't know. Sounds kind of "woke" to me. If it's not coal, Trump isn't interested. Vinca Dec 2025 #27
Acushnet Process Company, which started making Titleist golf balls, used to heat the building in the winter from...... usaf-vet Dec 2025 #28
Yes computers were huge back in the day. applegrove Dec 2025 #29
WWBOD? - What Would Big Oil Do? JoseBalow Dec 2025 #30
Good one! calimary Dec 2025 #47
Inefficient use of a wasteful process's leftovers. marble falls Dec 2025 #31
Inefficient use is better than no use at all. Shipwack Dec 2025 #34
Trump doesn't have to make this illegal. In most of the country we can't do this at all. jmowreader Dec 2025 #32
Reminds me of the Minnesota Supercomputer Center GopherGal Dec 2025 #33
Fa geta bout it! This is only possible when you have government oversight and an educated populace. flashman13 Dec 2025 #35
Silly me popsdenver Dec 2025 #36
Considering that the U.S. is 29 times the size of Finland, I'm pretty sure this is a problem of scale, and not ancianita Dec 2025 #38
If would probably. work in large cities if there were still large tenements. LiberalArkie Dec 2025 #39
District heat networks? In America you pay to have your data-center heat delivered in a truck. paulkienitz Dec 2025 #43
Given the places it would make sense, seems to me it's a great "blue state" (subset: snowbelt) initiative. pat_k Dec 2025 #44
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