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Wiz Imp

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6. methinks Leavitt, Hegseth & Trump are playing a semantics game.

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:09 PM

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Leavitt told reporters that Bradley — not Hegseth — gave the order

So Bradley ordered the people who actually carried out the strike to do so. But Hegseth almost certainly gave the order to Bradley first.

So Hegseth didn't directly order the people who carried out the strike to do so (nor would anyone expect that he did). However, if he ordered the Admiral to give the order, then he is ultimately still responsible. I'd be willing to bet that is what happened here.

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Karoline Leavitt confirmed that Admiral Frank M."Mitch" Bradley had issued the order to fire on the vessel a second time [View all] Shellback Squid Monday OP

You can bet your bottom dollar that this Admiral wouldn't have ordered the 2nd strike MarineCombatEngineer Monday #1

Exactly angrychair Monday #14

If there was an audio, I would bet money it no longer exists. ananda Monday #16

I don't know, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #22

I agree. Assume nothing. Raven123 Monday #30

How many Ellsberg's have we had so far? ananda Monday #49

Affirm. orangecrush Monday #50

It was the admiral imitating Hegseth. Kablooie Monday #24

Trump will tell the Admiral to keep his mouth shut or lose his rank and pension. Irish_Dem Monday #33

That's a possibility, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #36

Yes but congress won't lose rank and pension. Irish_Dem Monday #45

This whole thing about the fisherman clinging to the wreckage and being killed is pushing my buttons. Irish_Dem Monday #46

Good call duckworth969 Yesterday #53

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Irish_Dem Yesterday #54

Hegseth "authorized it", and the Admiral ordered it, accordingly. thought crime 18 hrs ago #62

Did you catch the recent DU popsdenver 13 hrs ago #64

Yep. MarineCombatEngineer 13 hrs ago #65

the situation in Venezuela popsdenver 13 hrs ago #67

Department of Defense Law of War Manual Turbineguy Monday #2

methinks Leavitt, Hegseth & Trump are playing a semantics game. Wiz Imp Monday #6

Regardless, popsdenver Monday #15

The general knew that. Right? Autumn 23 hrs ago #56

Well, the book is 1236 pages.... Turbineguy 21 hrs ago #59

Obviously popsdenver 13 hrs ago #66

If she says it, I automatically discount it as another lie Torchlight Monday #3

ditto times infinity n/t librechik Monday #4

This is why it's best to refuse unlawful orders. yardwork Monday #5

I'm just waiting for the word that bluestarone Monday #7

Let's bring the Admiral to kacekwl Monday #8

The It wasn't me defense malaise Monday #9

We're fast approaching a "You're goddamn right I did!" moment from Hegseth Prairie Gates Monday #10

The funny thing about that odins folly Monday #18

This MustLoveBeagles Monday #25

It bothers me that... Shipwack Monday #29

Ladies and gentlemen clevergrrrl Monday #11

_ LudwigPastorius Monday #12

Hegseth meet bus MustLoveBeagles Monday #27

Seems there was a German U-boat commander popsdenver Monday #13

It's ironic, too. thought crime 17 hrs ago #63

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE DID. Grins Monday #17

Not likely. paleotn Monday #23

Is this what Jesus would do? Jesus. twodogsbarking Monday #19

the "pro-life Christian" folk Skittles Monday #44

Dammit. The first strike was illegal Easterncedar Monday #20

yeah but this second strike is easier to prove as a war crime LymphocyteLover Monday #21

It is a grotesque analogy mr715 Monday #37

Hmm, haven't heard of that. What is that effect? LymphocyteLover Yesterday #55

Atomic war crimes mr715 18 hrs ago #60

oh yes, I've heard that argument... makes sense LymphocyteLover 18 hrs ago #61

Extrajudicial killing is wrong Easterncedar Monday #41

Someone is going to pay the price or this. MissouriDem47 Monday #26

Admiral Bradley: witness for the prosecution. Buddyzbuddy Monday #28

This is their story mr715 Monday #31

In Russia, lower ranks always take the blame for higher ranks. Irish_Dem Monday #32

In the US, lower ranks often take the blame for higher ranks. mr715 Monday #38

Yep. The way the world works. Irish_Dem Monday #42

Shouldn't Trump have a gold-plated sign with the phrase "The Buck Stops Here" on the Resolute desk in the Oval Office? sop Monday #34

Anybody else Traildogbob Monday #35

So many questions. Clearly lots of interviews are needed. bronxiteforever Monday #39

What drives me crazy about this... Trueblue Texan Monday #40

. Zelda_Orchid Monday #43

The military, when faced with an eff up, will sacrifice the lowest ranked person who will appease the gods. Blumancru Monday #47

As soon as Democrats regain control of Congress Emile Monday #48

No words for this kwolf68 Monday #51

That is plainly illegal, and German navy war criminals were executed after WWII RockRaven Monday #52

Bradley knew the order was illegal and he gave the order to fire the second time? Autumn 23 hrs ago #57

The scapegoat: dalton99a 22 hrs ago #58