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In reply to the discussion: An investor called $140,000 the new poverty line. Experts disagreed but said he had a point. [View all]Celerity
(53,271 posts)36. you lose more than you gain as you move up from very low income levels
https://www.yesigiveafig.com/p/part-1-my-life-is-a-lie
When you run the net-income numbers, a family earning $100,000 is effectively in a worse monthly financial position than a family earning $40,000.
1. The View from $35,000 (The Official Poor)
At this income, the family is struggling, but the state provides a floor. They qualify for Medicaid (free healthcare). They receive SNAP (food stamps). They receive heavy childcare subsidies. Their deficits are real, but capped.
At this income, the family is struggling, but the state provides a floor. They qualify for Medicaid (free healthcare). They receive SNAP (food stamps). They receive heavy childcare subsidies. Their deficits are real, but capped.
2. The Cliff at $45,000 (The Healthcare Trap)
The family earns a $10,000 raise. Good news? No. At this level, the parents lose Medicaid eligibility. Suddenly, they must pay premiums and deductibles.
Income Gain: +$10,000
Expense Increase: +$10,567
Net Result: They are poorer than before. The effective tax on this mobility is over 100%.
The family earns a $10,000 raise. Good news? No. At this level, the parents lose Medicaid eligibility. Suddenly, they must pay premiums and deductibles.
Income Gain: +$10,000
Expense Increase: +$10,567
Net Result: They are poorer than before. The effective tax on this mobility is over 100%.
3. The Cliff at $65,000 (The Childcare Trap)
This is the breaker. The family works harder. They get promoted to $65,000. They are now solidly Working Class. But at roughly this level, childcare subsidies vanish. They must now pay the full market rate for daycare.
Income Gain: +$20,000 (from $45k)
Expense Increase: +$28,000 (jumping from co-pays to full tuition)
Net Result: Total collapse.
This is the breaker. The family works harder. They get promoted to $65,000. They are now solidly Working Class. But at roughly this level, childcare subsidies vanish. They must now pay the full market rate for daycare.
Income Gain: +$20,000 (from $45k)
Expense Increase: +$28,000 (jumping from co-pays to full tuition)
Net Result: Total collapse.
When you run the net-income numbers, a family earning $100,000 is effectively in a worse monthly financial position than a family earning $40,000.
At $40,000, you are drowning, but the state gives you a life vest. At $100,000, you are drowning, but the state says you are a high earner and ties an anchor to your ankle called Market Price. In option terms, the government has sold a call option to the poor, but theyve rigged the gamma. As you move closer to the money (self-sufficiency), the delta collapses. For every dollar of effort you put in, the system confiscates 70 to 100 cents. No rational trader would take that trade. Yet we wonder why labor force participation lags. Its not a mystery. Its math.
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An investor called $140,000 the new poverty line. Experts disagreed but said he had a point. [View all]
Zorro
Saturday
OP
I would buy this sum is accurate (even low) if one desires to live in an expensive, desirable area
AZJonnie
Saturday
#3
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States."
mountain grammy
Saturday
#7
Green's required net income: $118,009. The $136,500 is gross. For a family of 4.
Celerity
Saturday
#26
That was the reason my wife worked part time until our daughter was old enough for elementary school
NickB79
Sunday
#41
Several points here. First, "laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income" is itself laughable
unblock
Saturday
#9
The observations have merit, even if the specific application of conclusion doesn't.
unblock
Sunday
#31
I would think for most families of 4 it's enough to live on but very little disposable income for extras.
Raftergirl
Saturday
#10
Residents making an annual income of up to $109,700 who are living in Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara and
Celerity
Saturday
#22
Disagree (after reading it fully) & the $136,500 figure is gross, his required net income: $118,009. For a family of 4.
Celerity
Sunday
#30
That seems a rather blanket statement, sorta like "every immigrant from India is a math genius"
DFW
Sunday
#48
I wouldn't call it a "poverty" line, but the "living wage" line. Below that, government subsidies are necessary. nt
Blasphemer
Sunday
#34
While most of the posts in this thread have been about housing costs,
PoindexterOglethorpe
Sunday
#52