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LogDog75

(1,012 posts)
34. I had a similar experience
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:22 PM
Nov 26

In the late 70s, the AF was doing it's Combined Federal Campaign and I was being pressured to donate by my OIC. I refused because I was a junior airman not making much money. He kept trying to get me to donate and even said just to sign the donor pledge, which I didn't do, figuring he'd make a cash donation in my name. In the end, he gave up on me.

However, our hospital administrator, major, who was a real prick. He'd read a book on leadership through intimidation and tried to intimidate everyone to doing what he wanted them to do. We had a TSgt (E-6) who refused to donate to the CFC and the major told him he needed to sign a paper as to why he wouldn't donate. The TSgt said he was busy but if the major would leave the paper with him he'd be happy to complete it and return it to him after he made a copy of it and sent it to his congressman. The major grabbed the paper back and nothing more was heard of it.

My job in the AF was medical materiel (supply) where we bought the supplies and equipment used in the hospitals and clinics. I'd get officers and NCOs trying to force me to buy something that wasn't authorized or approved. I'd simply tell them why I couldn't do it and that usually ended it there. There were times when they insisted and threatened me and I said "Okay, but I first have to inform the commander, base contracting, and finance before I can do it." At that point, they back down. The main thing on illegal orders is to let them know they will have to explain themselves to their commander if I follow their orders after they've been told the correct procedures.

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I refused orders once... [View all] Capperdan Nov 26 OP
I never disobeyed an order when I was on active duty EYESORE 9001 Nov 26 #1
It's amazing what people (soldiers) will do if they've been told the "others" are the enemy. erronis Nov 26 #3
Trump needs to lie to the soldiers and sailors popsdenver Nov 26 #21
You can be a lot proud of that one. TheRickles Nov 26 #2
Please accept my gratitude, sir! lastlib Nov 26 #4
Thank you lastlib Capperdan Nov 26 #9
And you should be proud, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 26 #5
And back at you MCE Capperdan Nov 26 #10
The closest I came was in the USAF in 1969. MineralMan Nov 26 #6
My hat off to you, MM. That takes guts and a true sense of what's right. erronis Nov 26 #23
Or, I'm a smartass. MineralMan Nov 26 #24
I think you were a smart smartass. 3catwoman3 Nov 26 #25
I had a similar experience LogDog75 Nov 26 #34
Yes, exactly. MineralMan Thursday #36
We were breaking down our NDP (night defensive position), and The Wizard Nov 26 #7
Yup, brave. Joinfortmill Nov 26 #8
more info? NJCher Nov 26 #11
LOL! Great gifs FakeNoose Nov 26 #20
You should be proud. Nt Figarosmom Nov 26 #12
Love that you did this, and that blue_jay Nov 26 #13
And you should be mountain grammy Nov 26 #14
A little proud? llmart Nov 26 #15
Good on you. 3catwoman3 Nov 26 #16
Im sure it would have Capperdan Nov 26 #27
Thank you Capperdan! Clouds Passing Nov 26 #17
I salute your service, honor and integrity, Capperdan Grim Chieftain Nov 26 #18
Well thanks, GC Capperdan Nov 26 #28
Had a friend in the Army refuse an order in Vietnam surfered Nov 26 #19
thank you for your honorable service. cab67 Nov 26 #22
My father refused Bmoboy Nov 26 #26
Thank you KT2000 Nov 26 #29
Thank you. I'm proud of you too. Ohioboy Nov 26 #30
Precisely the Correct Action Nictuku Nov 26 #31
On the other hand . . . Aussie105 Nov 26 #32
If that happened, no one would consider charging the coerced soldier. TomSlick Nov 26 #33
My late brother, who flew BlueMTexpat Thursday #35
This message was self-deleted by its author sarchasm Thursday #37
I was in 6-years. I NEVER got an illegal order. Grins Thursday #38
At Kent State the students tricked a gung ho commander into following them. GreenWave Thursday #39
Those were crazy times to be 20 years old Capperdan Thursday #41
My ROTC Ranger group committed mass mutiny one time... malthaussen Thursday #40
On the other hand (and only tangentially related) malthaussen Thursday #42
I am thankful I never had to face a situation in which I would have to refuse an order. mucholderthandirt Thursday #43
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