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EdmondDantes_

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32. Why wouldn't that theoretical article not be propaganda?

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 12:23 PM

Nov 26

Every system has trade offs. You can't really define better without more context than just top level numbers.

For example proportionally more people die in Canada waiting for medical care than in the US. Is going bankrupt worse than dying? How many bankruptcies are worse than letting one person die? How much should be spent if a treatment gives x days of life, what role does quality of life play? I don't have answers to those questions because they are hard.

I'm not suggesting our system is working because it clearly isn't, but it doesn't look like Canada's system is working either. Just because one isn't working doesn't mean another is.

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Tens of thousands of Canadians died waiting for medical care in the past year: report [View all] OnlinePoker Nov 26 OP

LOL n/t leftstreet Nov 26 #1

You really need to add some context to that "LOL..." hlthe2b Nov 26 #5

Sorry. The article is propaganda leftstreet Nov 26 #8

that's a good point. samsingh Nov 26 #12

Notice that report doesn't say that the 23,746 deaths were preventable. Bluetus Nov 26 #24

Exactly leftstreet Nov 26 #26

I think they will be getting lots of doctors from US travelingthrulife Thursday #78

You need to know what treatment they were waiting for Mariana Nov 26 #49

Exactly, and I doubt the records are accurate and consistent across countries Bluetus Nov 26 #55

I'm the OP for this post and I just thought of something that wasn't addressed in the article. OnlinePoker Nov 26 #64

Yes it does appear to be propaganda. ananda Nov 26 #27

Why wouldn't that theoretical article not be propaganda? EdmondDantes_ Nov 26 #32

Are you Canadian? leftstreet Nov 26 #33

It's not hard to find the data: EX500rider Nov 26 #43

In BC, you can just go to the government wait time website. OnlinePoker Nov 26 #50

fraser institute listed as libertarian, right bias, even factual reporting niyad Thursday #72

Either those are the average wait times or they aren't, and if they aren't I assume there is a article refuting them? EX500rider Thursday #73

Hand waving the data as from a right wing source doesn't really count for much EdmondDantes_ Nov 26 #63

I'm not Canadian but I am an American living in Canada. Jedi Guy Nov 26 #66

Took me over 6 months to get appointment with a rheumatologist in Montana. Only 8 in the whole state! Attilatheblond Thursday #80

"proportionally more people die in Canada waiting for medical care than in the US" Facts, please Bluetus Nov 26 #46

Here's one estimate. EdmondDantes_ Nov 26 #56

It might be. It might not be. Bluetus Nov 26 #62

And NO Canadian would opt for the health care system in the U.S. It's the 3rd rail of Canadian politics. Grins Thursday #77

+1 orangecrush Nov 26 #60

2nd LOL Stacey Grove Thursday #79

Any idea how that compares to the US health for profit system? rurallib Nov 26 #2

No clue. I just had the article come across my feed and thought it might interest people. n/t OnlinePoker Nov 26 #4

This article seems very misleading. This paragraph notes that deaths rurallib Nov 26 #15

Yeah but why? róisín_dubh Nov 26 #61

AI overview underpants Nov 26 #10

Is this overview regarding the US, or is it re: Canada? rog Nov 26 #36

US underpants Nov 26 #52

Thank you. rog Nov 26 #54

AI Overviews can't be trusted to get things right. highplainsdem Nov 26 #40

Can't help but think of the ol 'garbage in/garbage out' re computer data Attilatheblond Thursday #82

WOW, what are the U.S.'s numbers? Anyone know? jaymac Nov 26 #3

If you count those who die uninsured, underinsured and project those number escalating next year... hlthe2b Nov 26 #6

AI underpants Nov 26 #11

In the US. timms139 Thursday #68

Personally I'd say many delay even trying to seek care because it is a futile exercise lostnfound Thursday #70

They seldom say in the USA died from COVID so expect way too rosy stats. GreenWave Nov 26 #7

Being turned away KT2000 Nov 26 #9

Just for background, this think tank is described as "conservative", and niyad Nov 26 #13

Secondstreet.org is a member of the "The Canada Strong and Free Network" RockCreek Nov 26 #21

Thanks, so they have their foot pushing down on the side of private insurance Beringia Nov 26 #30

As suspected! SheltieLover Nov 26 #53

Is this correlated to "what they died of" being the malady they were waiting to be seen for? AZJonnie Nov 26 #14

see my post #15 above rurallib Nov 26 #16

HA! Great minds think alike (and at roughly the same time) AZJonnie Nov 26 #19

Universal coverage is needed here now, but we also need to understand the issues that will arise. Silent Type Nov 26 #17

People act like wait times are only a thing in other countries. W_HAMILTON Nov 26 #18

Beware beware, sounds like pee pee Pierre DoBW Nov 26 #20

I would guess that deaths in the USA are higher. Blue Full Moon Nov 26 #22

Did you bother to check the original source of the study? Fiendish Thingy Nov 26 #23

"While" is quite a ways from "because of" unblock Nov 26 #25

The questions are how many are waiting for life-saving surgery, and of those how many are waiting for donor organs andym Nov 26 #28

The headline is deceptive. Progressive dog Nov 26 #29

Is this propaganda Keepthesoulalive Nov 26 #31

could it be said that tens of thousands Canadians died from waiting for care and AmandaRuth Nov 26 #34

These articles are from moscow bot boiler rooms, they have been popping up everywhere. They disguise as news sources yaesu Nov 26 #35

not sure what PURPOSE is intended with this post - but health results are demonstrably better stopdiggin Nov 26 #37

This is pure propaganda from an Alberta rightwing organization... Spazito Nov 26 #38

"Preston Manning" - look no further . . . . hatrack Thursday #81

Exactly! Spazito Thursday #83

Just a guess, I'd bet better than 8 out of 10 multigraincracker Nov 26 #39

To be honest, this does sound like a 'hit piece' on this ... and if it is a 'hit piece', the question is why, who gains SWBTATTReg Nov 26 #41

A work colleague has a torn meniscus and other issues that is locking up his knee in Toronto Melon Nov 26 #42

It's estimated that 28,000 Canadians die every year from medical errors. Mosby Nov 26 #44

Right wing propaganda Cirsium Nov 26 #45

smells like Pee Pee Pierre DoBW Nov 26 #58

Reminds me of the right wing "5 million people Whyisthisstillclose Nov 26 #47

"Reports" that are THIS slanted deserve some other designation DFW Nov 26 #48

I worked in Canada quite a bit, gab13by13 Nov 26 #51

Thom Hartmann discussed this on his show a few days back rurallib Nov 26 #57

I have two friends who married Tree Lady Thursday #74

'The figures are a three per cent increase from the previous year..." maxsolomon Nov 26 #59

This report brought to you by Blue Cross and Eli Lilly. nt Wednesdays Nov 26 #65

It's founders and sponsors read like a rightwing wet dream. Swede Nov 26 #67

Understanding The Bopper Thursday #69

Note that the "Baby boomer generation" is coming up to its end of the road Justice matters. Thursday #71

Contrast with millions of Americans? Kid Berwyn Thursday #75

How many Canadians go bankrupt seeking healthcare? Ritabert Thursday #76