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lapucelle

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104. That's not policy, theoretical or otherwise.

Sun Nov 23, 2025, 06:34 PM

Nov 23

Policy includes plans and steps to accomplish goals.

Everyone agrees that utility rates are too high. The "it's because of corporate greed" message will be counted by the "it's because of government regulations" message.

Trump has been messaging on the high cost of energy (blaming it on environmental regulations) since well before the NYC mayoral election. Kathy Hochul met with Trump last March to discuss it. We're still at the same impasse as to how to address the problem, and Trump's meeting with Mamdani didn't change that.

https://abc7ny.com/post/new-york-gov-kathy-hochul-meet-president-trump-white-house-discuss-range-topics/16019165/

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I'm not really seeing how Trump got played, unless of course, it was by that "dominantly downward " handshake thing you mentioned. I'm still not sure how that works.

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Here's a good question re Mamdani/TSF [View all] mcar Nov 21 OP

Two women vs two men. Irish_Dem Nov 21 #1

sexism. End of story. nt mcar Nov 21 #2

I agree LetMyPeopleVote Nov 22 #69

But if it were Biden campaigning with Dick Cheney, I'd be against that too Polybius Nov 23 #89

damn right RockCreek Nov 21 #4

True words....... Nt Hope22 Nov 22 #58

I'm glad Mamdani met with trump, same for Fetterman and other Democrats. Silent Type Nov 21 #3

OK. Did you criticize VP Harris for campaigning with Liz Cheney? mcar Nov 21 #5

Absolutely not, smart move despite any misplaced backlash. Silent Type Nov 21 #6

Thanks mcar Nov 21 #10

Well Traitor being the Polar Opposite Cha Nov 21 #7

I was all for Harris and Cheney. I'm not sure about this meeting, but Tribetime Nov 21 #8

To split maga even more. Good move. mobeau69 Nov 23 #103

You'll have to find someone who condemned Harris for appearing with Cheney. maxsolomon Nov 21 #9

Lots of people on this very site did so at the time mcar Nov 21 #11

Let me rephrase: maxsolomon Nov 21 #12

I'll bite. mr715 Nov 21 #13

And what do you think of today's meeting? mcar Nov 21 #18

I think Mamdani made a fool of Trump nt mr715 Nov 21 #21

So it was good for Mamdani to meet with Trump mcar Nov 22 #27

There seems to be no principles-based rationale for these attacks/praises... W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #29

Except there was no terrible, unprincipled faction of DUers attacking Harris for campaigning with Cheney. Scrivener7 Nov 22 #79

I didn't limit it to just DU since there certainly were those attacks on other social media. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #80

Lol! Scrivener7 Nov 22 #81

Well, Mamdani is Mayor Elect mr715 Nov 22 #33

That is some serious hair splitting mcar Nov 22 #67

Are you from NYC? mr715 Nov 22 #68

I'm not and I don't disagree mcar Nov 22 #71

I appreciate your perspective. mr715 Nov 22 #73

Thank you for your reply mcar Nov 22 #74

Meeting with and campaigning with are two different things, you know n/t Polybius Nov 23 #90

So? Liz Cheney Denounced Fascist Fuck Traitor Cha Nov 23 #115

So? Polybius Nov 24 #121

How so? Mossfern Nov 22 #31

Did you watch? nt mr715 Nov 22 #34

Some of it Mossfern Nov 22 #38

Certainly: mr715 Nov 22 #40

Reference the fable Mossfern Nov 22 #49

I don't see how that distinguishes one from the other. mr715 Nov 22 #52

"Standing upright without moving" reminds me of a soldier standing at attention. lapucelle Nov 23 #96

In what way are Con Ed rates a theoretical policy win? lapucelle Nov 23 #97

"Theoretical" mr715 Nov 23 #102

That's not policy, theoretical or otherwise. lapucelle Nov 23 #104

OP Is discussing a false equivalence between mr715 Nov 23 #105

Yes, but this subthread is about something else entirely. The claim was that Trump was made a fool of. lapucelle Nov 23 #110

My OP is a false equivalence? Do tell. mcar Nov 23 #114

Yeah, your OP isn't a "false equivalence between the Mamdani Trump meeting, and criticism of Harris campaigning Cha Nov 23 #116

The question of mr715 Nov 23 #117

While you are wrong about the "false equivalence" claim, you are right about the energy analogy being "crap". lapucelle Nov 24 #122

Got it. Thanks. mcar Nov 21 #17

Same thing happened when Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger... sheshe2 Nov 21 #14

I randomly pulled up two threads from the time, and DUers were very enthusiastic about both Scrivener7 Nov 22 #65

They don't understand it was Better to have Cha Nov 23 #118

And today? sheshe2 Nov 23 #119

Yes Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger Cha Nov 23 #120

Seriously? Cirsium Nov 21 #15

... mcar Nov 21 #19

... Cirsium Nov 21 #23

... mr715 Nov 22 #48

Campaigning and losing mr715 Nov 22 #36

Well said. yardwork Nov 22 #44

I did, in fact! mr715 Nov 22 #47

I wish logic was taught every year in schools. yardwork Nov 22 #57

Chess. mr715 Nov 22 #63

That last bit. Iggo Nov 24 #127

This doesn't seem to have had the intended effect. Scrivener7 Nov 21 #16

What effect is that? mcar Nov 21 #20

I assume to shame me into thinking Harris won because of Liz Cheney nt mr715 Nov 22 #37

I also was just wondering if meeting with Trump was okay now. Nixie Nov 21 #22

It isn't great, but it is a necessity. nt mr715 Nov 22 #43

*Shrug* 4 pols pretending to be civil to their opposites. Ping Tung Nov 22 #24

Post removed Post removed Nov 22 #25

Why was Trump sitting down? bucolic_frolic Nov 22 #26

I think both did the right thing for right reasons JI7 Nov 22 #28

Mamdani didn't meet with Trump while campaigning leftstreet Nov 22 #30

No one's buying that. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #32

It's the wrong question leftstreet Nov 22 #39

Kamala would have been criticized regardless and Mamdani would be supported regardless... W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #51

Okay n/t leftstreet Nov 22 #54

I disagree with that take. See mine below. yardwork Nov 22 #42

Hey, didn't Eric Adams meet with Trump DURING the campaign? mr715 Nov 22 #45

No, because damn near no one liked Adams to begin with and he wasn't going to win regardless. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #55

Eh, sorta mr715 Nov 22 #56

And it looks like Adams actually met with Trump not during his campaign, but while he was mayor. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #59

Yes, correct. mr715 Nov 22 #60

Agreed Mossfern Nov 22 #46

Many Democrats have met with Trump Cirsium Nov 22 #70

I haven't attacked any of said politicians. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #75

Sure Cirsium Nov 22 #77

Not the hypocrisy HERE. As you have agreed, it didn't happen here, and you have Scrivener7 Nov 22 #82

It has happened here as well, as you yourself cited in another post. W_HAMILTON Nov 23 #87

Again - this whole thread is a complaint against an imaginary monster. Scrivener7 Nov 23 #91

No, it isn't. These sorts of disingenuous attacks are what brought down Hillary and Kamala. W_HAMILTON Nov 23 #92

And what I'm saying is that you and others in this thread are imagining enemies among your fellow Democrats Scrivener7 Nov 23 #94

Pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards about this Nixie Nov 22 #85

No equivalence mr715 Nov 23 #93

Wrong. Just substitute Cuomo for someone else and the Nixie Nov 23 #95

Mamdani is the establishment. nt mr715 Nov 23 #98

I lulz'd Nixie Nov 23 #106

One of the perks of winning. nt mr715 Nov 23 #107

Wrong again. It's a perk of a nonsensical switcheroo. Nixie Nov 23 #108

Silly. H2O Man Nov 22 #35

I'm going to annoy a lot of people by saying they're two different things. yardwork Nov 22 #41

Mamdani SunImp Nov 22 #78

When Mamdani campaigns with Trump at numerous campaign spots I'll definitely condemn that. Nanjeanne Nov 22 #50

Me too, for the record. mr715 Nov 22 #53

Spectacular double standard. Benefit of the doubt and praise for doing what many others betsuni Nov 22 #61

I don't remember "lots of people on this very site" condemning Harris for this, so I went to the wayback machine. Scrivener7 Nov 22 #62

Those pesky facts Cirsium Nov 22 #72

There do seem to be some imaginary monsters floating around for some people. Scrivener7 Nov 22 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author SunImp Nov 23 #86

I was in the "Fuck Cheney" camp. Iggo Nov 23 #109

OK. But posts from the time show you were in a very small minority here. Most here were overwhelmingly positive. Scrivener7 Nov 23 #111

I look at Mamdani visiting the White House the same way I saw Pelosi visiting the White House. Iggo Nov 23 #112

Kamala says in her book she campaigned with Cheney for a day and a half. betsuni Nov 22 #64

She's "far right." As opposed to the pedophile in the WH mcar Nov 22 #83

I'm amused by the whole affair. Clearly the Orange Pedophile is struggling to hold on against an apocalypse. As for... NNadir Nov 22 #66

From the little I saw of it's comments, mcar Nov 22 #84

Doesn't matter if the President is Satan himself Polybius Nov 23 #88

From this morning: True Dough Nov 23 #99

Not an apology. This is leadership. mr715 Nov 23 #100

Still pushing this crap? NoRethugFriends Nov 23 #101

I beg your pardon? mcar Nov 24 #123

Well maybe, just maybe, he's trying to do what's best for New York City NoRethugFriends Nov 24 #124

OK let's do this once again mcar Nov 24 #126

Mamdani campaigned and won on his terms and then met with Trump at his request. Passages Nov 23 #113

What remains to be seen is whether or not Mamdani will govern on the terms that he set forth in his campaign. lapucelle Nov 24 #125

So far so good. Passages Nov 24 #128