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In reply to the discussion: Why Trump Has A Floor Of Thirty Percent Support [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,330 posts)43. Forget what an AI regurgitation machine says - listen to the blog wisdom of 20 years: it's the 27% crazification factor
John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --
Tyrone: 27%.
John: ... you said that immediately, and with some authority.
Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.
John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?
Tyrone: Hadn't thought about it. Let's split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification -- either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.
https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html
Tyrone: 27%.
John: ... you said that immediately, and with some authority.
Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.
John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?
Tyrone: Hadn't thought about it. Let's split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification -- either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.
https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html
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Thank you. If I would have posted the numbers I would have been asked for a source.
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 21
#18
and it comes up with "26 percent of U.S. respondents were 'highly right-wing authoritarian' compared to other countries"
thesquanderer
Nov 21
#30
Just like every society has 20 percent needing support, they also have 30 percent assholes.
TheBlackAdder
Nov 21
#15
I would bet that these numbers would hold around the same for every human population you look at
AZJonnie
Nov 21
#20
I think it is part of our psyche, but also reflective of the fact that what is not binary tends to be a continuum
AZJonnie
Nov 21
#41
So, I looked up how the Golden Ratio works/what it is and its relation to Fibonacci Sequence
AZJonnie
Nov 21
#51
Personally, I don't want that 1/3 tearing down my and your United States/America.
chouchou
Nov 21
#28
OK, but are they good with a dangerously stupid authoritarian who is screwing THEM left and right?
William Seger
Nov 21
#31
Forget what an AI regurgitation machine says - listen to the blog wisdom of 20 years: it's the 27% crazification factor
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 21
#43
Trump supporters are the 1/3 that would round up and kill 1/3 while the last 1/3 watches.
LudwigPastorius
Nov 23
#55