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In reply to the discussion: from David Brooks, OpEd in the NY Times: [View all]Scrivener7
(57,304 posts)31. OBVIOUSLY I don't disagree with any of your purity test questions. So congratulations.
Strawman deployed.
But you even asking that question shows me you have fallen for Brooks's schtick. That's what he does. He says things that Democrats would obviously agree with, and then tells Democrats off-the-wall things like, "You Democrats are the elites, and you have ruined our society." Or "You Democrats need to embrace evangelicals because evangelicals obviously are enemies of trump and you're turning them away."
And his saying we need a movement - which, seriously? Did you need him to tell you that? - is nothing more than navel gazing over the obvious. Which is another of his talents.
So Cosmonaut was absolutely correct in saying, "Fuck David Brooks." Because David Brooks DOESN'T agree with us. The things he says are always trojan horses used to deliver blame and lies about Democrats.
You may trust him. I certainly don't.
And you know what? Cosmonaut is right. That war IS over. It's done. We lost that war. Our old methods failed. We are fighting a completely different war now. We need new methods. And stating obvious platitudes does not move us toward that
You know what we need to do to to fight this new war? We need to admit we have been ineffective in opposing the dismantling of our Democracy. We need to look at why we have been ineffective. And we need to change. We need to find a leader or leaders to rally around. Because coordination doesn't just happen. It needs a focal point and direction. The power of "We the people" has never simply risen from the ether. It requires dynamic leaders.
There are those on DU who insist that, if we look for leaders, we are bad Democrats. They insist Democrats are doing all that can be done. They think the question, "What are YOU doing" is a real point in the debate. As if, if only I had done more, this would not be happening. Whenever anyone expresses dismay at where we are, they say, "So are you saying we should just give up?" It's a ridiculous question. And, really, it's just an attempt to censure people who are not in the "all is being done that can be done" crowd.
From where I sit, that is the crowd that is most obstructive to progress in the war we are in NOW.
So stop asking people if they are saying we should give up.
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In the 2nd admin he, and his minions, have complete control of the power infrastructure.
Boomerproud
Wednesday
#6
What's your point? Are you saying we should give up? Are you saying there is no hope?
Bernardo de La Paz
Wednesday
#9
It's you. The citizens of the United States have the leverage, even when all else fails, at above 3.5 pcent
Bernardo de La Paz
Wednesday
#16
The people see the people protesting. Even right wing sites comment on it, so even the Fox tunnel vision crowd know
Bernardo de La Paz
Thursday
#40
We need to join with every single David Brooks out there, because they're the ones that have a chance
pnwmom
Wednesday
#5
Are you saying we should give up because it is lost? And that we should attack everyone who fails a purity test?
Bernardo de La Paz
Wednesday
#10
Will you stop asking every poster who makes a salient point if they're saying we should give up? OBVIOUSLY
Scrivener7
Thursday
#27
I'm not doing that. OBVIOUSLY I"m not saying that. And the poster did not say what you say they said.
Bernardo de La Paz
Thursday
#30
OBVIOUSLY I don't disagree with any of your purity test questions. So congratulations.
Scrivener7
Thursday
#31
Twice in this thread you asked people if they were telling us to give up because they
Scrivener7
Thursday
#33
Again you soft-pedal absolutist doomerism as "not doing the cheerleader thing". . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Thursday
#36
Yep. I do. Because people are on this site for a reason. And sometimes the terror
Scrivener7
Thursday
#37
just this week he implied that the MAGA uprising is caused by the progressives having control over media
BlueWaveNeverEnd
Thursday
#23
He ALWAYS does that. Sounds reasonable at first, then tells us it's Democrats' faults.
Scrivener7
Thursday
#28
Yes!!!! Underneath his facade of reasonableness, he is a sneaky rightwinger
BlueWaveNeverEnd
Thursday
#34