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Bernardo de La Paz

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30. I'm not doing that. OBVIOUSLY I"m not saying that. And the poster did not say what you say they said.

Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:05 AM

Sep 25

My post #9 was mistakenly replying to usonian instead of replying to Cosmocat. In post #16 I answered usonian's question by affirming that the people ultimately have the leverage, the force, the power.

Nothing I say prevents anyone else from having a conversation. Nothing. You ascribe mythical powers to me that I do not have.

Cosmocat did not say it the way you say they said. If they had said "not our friend, read with caution", that would be a reasoned, temperate opinion that I might even agree with. Instead they wrote this war is over ("This war was lost" ).

That's the giving up. The war is not over.

If they had written what you wrote:

We are not doing great. Our Democracy is being dismantled. If we the people are going to succeed, we need to consider those practical considerations, and that doesn't make us bad Democrats.

then I would have agreed 100%, but they did not.

One practical consideration is: don't shit on people when they agree with us. I agree with each sentence in the OP. Is there anything in the OP that you disagree with?

It’s time for a comprehensive national civic uprising. It’s time for Americans in universities, law, business, nonprofits and the scientific community, and civil servants and beyond to form one coordinated mass movement. Trump is about power. The only way he’s going to be stopped is if he’s confronted by some movement that possesses rival power.

Do you disagree on the need for a "comprehensive national civic uprising"?
Do you disagree that it is "time to form one coordinated mass movement"?
Do you disagree that "Trump is about power"?
Do you disagree that "The only way he’s going to be stopped is if he’s confronted by some movement that possesses rival power."?

If you agree with most of that or all of that, then as a practical consideration, now is not the time to shit on the person saying that.

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from David Brooks, OpEd in the NY Times: [View all] elleng Sep 24 OP

So here's a question, and I'll leave it out there. usonian Sep 24 #1

You are not wrong Cosmocat Sep 24 #4

In the 2nd admin he, and his minions, have complete control of the power infrastructure. Boomerproud Sep 24 #6

What's your point? Are you saying we should give up? Are you saying there is no hope? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 24 #9

Just asking people who or what has the leverage. usonian Sep 24 #15

It's you. The citizens of the United States have the leverage, even when all else fails, at above 3.5 pcent Bernardo de La Paz Sep 24 #16

Check my posts in Activist Headquarters. usonian Sep 24 #17

Cheers! . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 24 #18

Are there protests if the media keeps pretending there aren't any? Autumn Sep 25 #38

The people see the people protesting. Even right wing sites comment on it, so even the Fox tunnel vision crowd know Bernardo de La Paz Sep 25 #40

Most young people I know don't get weekends off. And if they do Autumn Sep 25 #42

Wise words from David Brooks.. TY Cha Sep 24 #2

Fuck David Brooks Cosmocat Sep 24 #3

We need to join with every single David Brooks out there, because they're the ones that have a chance pnwmom Sep 24 #5

Exactly. This started with Reagan and the gaslighting .... Bread and Circuses Sep 24 #7

Are you saying we should give up because it is lost? And that we should attack everyone who fails a purity test? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 24 #10

Of course not. yardwork Sep 24 #12

Im saying hes a pos Cosmocat Sep 24 #19

Will you stop asking every poster who makes a salient point if they're saying we should give up? OBVIOUSLY Scrivener7 Sep 25 #27

I'm not doing that. OBVIOUSLY I"m not saying that. And the poster did not say what you say they said. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 25 #30

OBVIOUSLY I don't disagree with any of your purity test questions. So congratulations. Scrivener7 Sep 25 #31

As to the straw man you set up and demolished ... Bernardo de La Paz Sep 25 #32

Twice in this thread you asked people if they were telling us to give up because they Scrivener7 Sep 25 #33

Again you soft-pedal absolutist doomerism as "not doing the cheerleader thing". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 25 #36

Yep. I do. Because people are on this site for a reason. And sometimes the terror Scrivener7 Sep 25 #37

As I recall he's always been anti trump Purity mucifer Sep 24 #20

He aint us Cosmocat Sep 24 #21

That does seem to be the world's most popular excuse these days Torchlight Sep 25 #43

David Brooks voted for Obama and Biden. summer_in_TX Sep 25 #22

I am well aware of those other convervatives Cosmocat Sep 25 #24

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." summer_in_TX Sep 25 #44

just this week he implied that the MAGA uprising is caused by the progressives having control over media BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 25 #23

THIS Cosmocat Sep 25 #25

He ALWAYS does that. Sounds reasonable at first, then tells us it's Democrats' faults. Scrivener7 Sep 25 #28

Yes!!!! Underneath his facade of reasonableness, he is a sneaky rightwinger BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 25 #34

A human trojan horse. Scrivener7 Sep 25 #35

A tool who has done more damage displacedvermoter Sep 25 #26

You sure as hell are 100% correct. Autumn Sep 25 #39

So Dave Brooks is part of Antifa now?🤣 Crunchy Frog Sep 24 #8

Did David have any harsh words for all the Republicans that continue to enable Trump? tanyev Sep 24 #11

Dude who mislead people in politics his whole Johonny Sep 24 #13

I'm not even going to waste time reading it. Paladin Sep 24 #14

This is guy who was whining about inflation during Biden's term Ritabert Sep 25 #29

Correct - he is THAT guy Cosmocat Sep 25 #41