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karynnj

(60,569 posts)
21. I think the fight over the narrative was more successful than that
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sep 20

What you heard depended on where you were on the political spectrum and how engaged you were. My hypotheses are:
1. There were two groups whose opinions did not change at all. One was the group of people who followed Kirk, the other the politically active people on the left, including DU. These plus the further right are the people who already knew of him and had an opinion.

2. For the majority of the people who had no or little opinion of him, it depended on where their information came from. That could be social media, people they speak to or public media.

On my own social media, I saw mostly information from the left, including many obnoxious things Kirk actually did say. I responded with thumbs up, care, etc but no written comments.

However, what surprised me was one woman I know is basically a conservative Catholic, shared a video where he was responding to a questioner "proving" Jesus is God - using the Bible! Despite the obvious, he appeared reasoned, calm and "nice". Easy to do when you control the editing. The comments were of people seeing him almost as a martyr. One said they lost a future President.

What Trump is fighting for is this middle group that previously did not know Kirk. I have no idea whether there were more people whose first major exposure was the laundry list of hateful positions or more people seeing him as a saint or at least a good man.

To some degree, the decency of most elected Democrats long believing it is wrong "to speak ill of the dead" eliminated many of those who are usually our strongest voices speaking to those not on the committed left.

As usual, the MSM really did try to show both sides of the issues Kirk raised, while the right deified Kirk and demonized the "radical left" which now seems to be not just those to the left of Reagan, but even those who identified as Reagan/Bush Republicans.

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Ignore him. Grave dancing is not a healthy action. marble falls Sep 20 #1
Not healthy for who? NoRethugFriends Sep 20 #10
I wouldn't say it's unhealthy, but I do agree with the ignorance for very different reasons. sir pball Sep 20 #18
Dancing is inherently healthy and more: it is one of things that wards off Alzheimer's. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 20 #26
completely ignoring it eShirl Sep 20 #2
I agree. IGNORE IT. some_of_us_are_sane Sep 20 #5
Change it to George Floyd Day the way Columbus Day is now Indigenous People's Day Chasstev365 Sep 20 #3
Maybe get a George Floyd t-shirt off those websites markodochartaigh Sep 20 #6
October 14 Bernardo de La Paz Sep 20 #29
Kirk should be commemorated by disseminating his views, using his own words. sop Sep 20 #4
So spread his hateful doctrine? Hard pass. (nt) Heidi Sep 20 #34
The people in the media honoring Kirk are the ones taking a hard pass at spreading his hateful doctrine. sop Sep 20 #36
Ignore the media.................. Lovie777 Sep 20 #7
Ignore it. Celerity Sep 20 #8
I sense the Charlie Kirk outrage hurricane is losing strength agingdem Sep 20 #15
I agree 100% oasis Sep 20 #16
I think the fight over the narrative was more successful than that karynnj Sep 20 #21
A tempest in a teapot sop Sep 20 #24
Who? Captain Kirk? NewHendoLib Sep 20 #9
Go to a vigil and hand out Rincewind Sep 20 #11
Just ignore it SickOfTheOnePct Sep 20 #12
Everyone wear t-shirts that quoting Charlie Kirk for wanting to have Epstein Files Released Pachamama Sep 20 #13
Great idea! SheltieLover Sep 20 #37
Volunteer for a cause he hated EdmondDantes_ Sep 20 #14
Living well is the best way, IMO. lark Sep 20 #17
When it comes to things like this ignoring is the best JI7 Sep 20 #19
Post lots of pix of Shatner as Capt. Kirk; act like you thought that's who the day is for. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 20 #20
Donate to groups that work xmas74 Sep 20 #22
Playing bridge, watching a good PBS show... ananda Sep 20 #23
Fly your Old Glory upside down Trailrider1951 Sep 20 #25
"I did not attend his funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." Mark Twain Ping Tung Sep 20 #27
All day memes with the dancing pallbearers Aviation Pro Sep 20 #28
Dance for Democracy Day! MrWowWow Sep 20 #30
Celebrate National Dessert Day struggle4progress Sep 20 #31
Ignore it. Celebrate George Floyd's birthday instead. Heidi Sep 20 #32
Here in EU land DFW Sep 20 #33
Kimmel should announce he is going to memorial then not show up. Sneederbunk Sep 20 #35
Never Say Anything Bad About the Dead... MrWowWow Sep 20 #38
Charlie who? haele Sep 20 #39
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