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In reply to the discussion: Why is this not an act of war? [View all]SunSeeker
(56,541 posts)54. It is really disturbing that the military carried out his order to murder 11 people.
Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:34 AM - Edit history (1)
As Heather Cox Richardson noted:
Legal analyst Ryan Goodman wrote: I worked at [the Department of Defense]. I literally cannot imagine lawyers coming up with a legal basis for [the] lethal strike of [a] suspected Venezuelan drug boat. Hard to see how this would not be "murder" or war crime under international law that DoD considers applicable.
Notre Dame law professor Mary Ellen OConnell told John Hudson, Samantha Schmidt, and Alex Horton of the Washington Post that the strike violated international law. When the president decides this is a person who can be killed summarily, theres no restraint on him, she told the reporters. Its a very dangerous new move, since he could decide to launch similar strikes within the United States in pursuit of those he calls drug traffickers.
Representative Adam Smith of Washington, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said the strike was deeply concerning, noting that [t]he administration has not identified the authority under which this action was taken, raising the question of its legality and constitutionality. Smith added: The lack of information and transparency from the administration is even more concerning. Does this mean Trump thinks he can use the U.S. military anywhere drugs exist, are sold, or shipped? What is the risk of dragging the United States into yet another military conflict?
Legal analyst Joyce White Vance noted that the justification for the strike was dubious enough that even Rubio appeared to want a little distance from it, as he made a point of specifying that the U.S. acted on the presidents orders.
Notre Dame law professor Mary Ellen OConnell told John Hudson, Samantha Schmidt, and Alex Horton of the Washington Post that the strike violated international law. When the president decides this is a person who can be killed summarily, theres no restraint on him, she told the reporters. Its a very dangerous new move, since he could decide to launch similar strikes within the United States in pursuit of those he calls drug traffickers.
Representative Adam Smith of Washington, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said the strike was deeply concerning, noting that [t]he administration has not identified the authority under which this action was taken, raising the question of its legality and constitutionality. Smith added: The lack of information and transparency from the administration is even more concerning. Does this mean Trump thinks he can use the U.S. military anywhere drugs exist, are sold, or shipped? What is the risk of dragging the United States into yet another military conflict?
Legal analyst Joyce White Vance noted that the justification for the strike was dubious enough that even Rubio appeared to want a little distance from it, as he made a point of specifying that the U.S. acted on the presidents orders.
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I am not aware of any indication that the people on the boat were sailors, that is, members of the Venezuelan Navy.
mahatmakanejeeves
Wednesday
#2
I'm looking forward to learning what evidence there is that it was a drug-smuggling operation.
Martin68
Wednesday
#19
Malcolm Nance just called this an 'Act of War' on the Stephanie Miller Show.
rubbersole
Wednesday
#7
Your apostrophe is significant; adding it puts a true spin on the name
Bernardo de La Paz
Wednesday
#14
The people were killed extra-judicially because capturing them was inconvenient, though easy to do. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Wednesday
#12
It is not only an act of war, it is a criminal act, punishable by the world court.
Scalded Nun
Wednesday
#13
Our heroic navy was protecting Miami from being stormed by the Venezuelan navy.....or something.
Ping Tung
Wednesday
#21
The same reason we didn't declare war on Saudi Arabia after 15 of their citizens attacked us on 9/11.
bluedigger
Wednesday
#23
Trump is largely controlled by Peter Thiel and Steven Miller. This action was determined to make a military emergency
Ford_Prefect
Wednesday
#26
Turned on the news this a.m. & got a clip of Trump saying they had "drugs...lots of drugs were on board..."
Hekate
Wednesday
#31
Colombia's President has called this an assassination of youngsters living in poverty...
GreenWave
Wednesday
#51
The United States is incapable of greatness with republicans in charge. Not great, not great again, period.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
Wednesday
#50
It is really disturbing that the military carried out his order to murder 11 people.
SunSeeker
Wednesday
#54
It's scary how much military strength this murderous fascist has at his hands.
GoodRaisin
Wednesday
#56