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Ms. Toad

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58. It has nothing to do with faith in the system.

Sat Aug 30, 2025, 05:31 PM

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It has to do with how military (and police) units respond to those in power.

Please name the last time (in the US) that the military or police openly defied the order of the president or the top of command in a state or city unit. That's just not how these units operate. Which is both why the military wasn't going to swoop in and rescue us, or keep him from the nuclear football, or whatever else people imagined when he took office the first time - AND - why they will toss him out on his keister come January 20, 2020 if he tries to stay. Even though they are theoretically obligated to ignore illegal orders, as a practical matter - they don't. Even when an order is blatantly illegal. And, as of 1/20/2029, an order to evict the trespasser isn't even remotely illegal.

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Same thing people said after he lost last time. Ms. Toad Saturday #1

He's playing a very different game this round. nt intrepidity Saturday #2

That doesn't change the constitution. n/t Ms. Toad Saturday #11

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Exactly. Traitor shits on the "Constitution" of the USA. Cha Saturday #45

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He doesn't give a fuck about that. NutmegYankee Saturday #30

Because he will be dragged out kicking and screaming Ms. Toad Saturday #33

By whom? NutmegYankee Saturday #36

You fundamentally misunderstand the chain of command. Ms. Toad Saturday #40

On the contrary, I think you are incredibly naive on this. NutmegYankee Saturday #42

I Totally Agree. When the Fucking Traitor Cha Saturday #47

Agree. We need to stop assuming the old rules apply. BannonsLiver Sunday #84

And what did he do last time? Oh that's right he tried to stay by fomenting an uprising that failed. Blues Heron Saturday #15

Hmmmm . . . I seem to recall Biden moving in, right on schedule. Ms. Toad Saturday #17

It failed, but he did try, like he will again. He could easily succeed this time. Blues Heron Saturday #18

There's a difference between trying to interfere with a political process to prevent certification of an electoin Ms. Toad Saturday #20

What about the MAGA failure of January 6, 2021? PufPuf23 Saturday #55

As of 1/20/2029, Trump has no legal authority to sit in the white house or to issue any orders. Ms. Toad Saturday #59

I don't think anyone is saying ... Whiskeytide Saturday #21

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He only left after his insurrection failed. MissouriDem47 Saturday #44

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Yes, let's all stop preparing for the worst and warning others it might come BWdem4life Saturday #48

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Your "paranoid fantasy" is my "certain fact" BWdem4life Saturday #69

How should we be preparing for the worst? MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #71

Bait BWdem4life Saturday #72

It's also good hype MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #68

The Supreme Court Mossfern Sunday #75

Maybe a few outliers said that then. It isn't the same thing this time. Seeing what has been going on, any sane person KPN Sunday #77

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I'd rather overreact than underreact in the face of fascism berniesandersmittens Saturday #3

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He tried last time remember? Blues Heron Saturday #16

That didn't work did it? onenote Saturday #22

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So how would you describe your overreacting? Kaleva Saturday #12

Getting out the vote berniesandersmittens Saturday #19

No. He HAS no intention of leaving Norbert Saturday #5

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He may leave but not before he summons his flying monkeys Norbert Saturday #25

You seem to have a great deal of faith in law enforcement and the military, niyad Saturday #26

Right now her has the authority of the office. Ms. Toad Saturday #37

And, again, you are demonstrating a great deal of faith in the system. . niyad Saturday #43

It has nothing to do with faith in the system. Ms. Toad Saturday #58

I totally agree .... dumbcat Saturday #38

I wish I shared your optimism. kegsbreath and others are doing niyad Saturday #49

That's what "not Paul Simon" sang. At least that's how it went down in 2021 DFW Sunday #88

TY Norbert. What the Hell Else is Traitor's Army Cha Saturday #53

He'll leave, just like last time. Plus, we can insure it with wins in Midterms. Silent Type Saturday #7

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The thought of either Cokey or Gums as just the nominee is hysterical Fiendish Thingy Saturday #56

"Gums" MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #70

I know, whatever strange charisma Donald has definitely didn't pass to his kids EdmondDantes_ Sunday #87

I have no proof there will be mass acts of treason by the military on January 20, 2029, but mass acts of treason generalbetrayus Sunday #78

So, who will control the nukes? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #83

Good question. Ukraine had nukes when the Soviet Union dissolved but gave them up voluntarily. generalbetrayus Yesterday #89

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His 'intention' is irrelevant; not up to him. elleng Saturday #24

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The he needs Traildogbob Saturday #31

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This "He's never gonna leave" BS MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #76

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