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In reply to the discussion: Does it occur to any of you who are posting AI slop - AI art - that it's always a slap at the artists and photographers [View all]highplainsdem
(56,305 posts)73. It's a complete difference. You're talking about a different subject - feelings about AI versus
harm done by theft of intellectual property.
You're arguing with a straw man you set up.
Scott Eaton, for example, trained the neural networks he uses exclusively on his own art.
That's another straw man argument, another diversion from the subject of my OP. Yes, Eaton custom-trained an AI. It took him years to train it, starting with him taking hundreds of thousands of photos of nudes, photos of several volunteers, by himself, in his studio. Those photos were his intellectual property.
He then trained the AI by showing it the nude photos along with drawings that MIMICKED his drawing style. MIMIC was the word he used, in this interview:
https://thelondonmagazine.org/interview-scott-eaton-artistai/
He doesn't say where he got the drawings, but using the word MIMIC suggests they were done by someone else copying his style as they drew. He may or may not have owned the drawings, but I'm guessing he had permission to use them. They might have been work for hire, or a gift.
To be honest, I can't imagine why anyone would want to spend years to train an AI to do this, but it did give him a reason to take hundreds of thousands of photos of nude volunteers.
I'm not aware of anyone else who's trained an AI this laboriously. I don't think there's any chance anyone here at DU has trained an AI this way. And you know very well an oddly trained AI like this is not what we're talking about here.
As to the ethical issues, those are distinct. AI does not inherently steal from artists and photographers. Most of the commercial versions do - but not all artists use commercial versions.
No, the ethical issues are not at all distinct. And some artists using custom AIs in no way changes the worldwide theft of intellectual property for the AI tools most people use.
You're right that AI doesn't "inherently steal." The AI tools that are widely used were deliberately trained on stolen intellectual property. And their creation and peddling and their use by people aware of that theft is the slap AT artists.
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Does it occur to any of you who are posting AI slop - AI art - that it's always a slap at the artists and photographers [View all]
highplainsdem
Thursday
OP
I think that your logic is the same that has always been used to oppose progress.
totodeinhere
Thursday
#2
Thank you. Although it's heartbreaking to read about you or any other creative feeling "What's the point?" of
highplainsdem
Thursday
#8
Think of the money that would have been saved if tech companies and venture capitalists hadn't
highplainsdem
Thursday
#13
We always have a choice not to go with the flow. And everything Grok, Musk's AI, churns out is an
highplainsdem
Thursday
#15
It can be rejected as unethical, flawed, harmful technology. And it should be. Especially by
highplainsdem
Thursday
#23
I've seen beautiful collages done with art that's in the public domain. Or you might try to
highplainsdem
Friday
#64
Thanks for the kind words! And I really hope people won't use AI for posts here. It would
highplainsdem
Thursday
#35
I've seen so many teachers bring this up, when talking about AI, that I felt I had to mention it.
highplainsdem
Thursday
#40
True all too frequently. Often they tell themselves everyone else is doing it, it's inevitable, etc.
highplainsdem
Thursday
#38
That's both funny and sad. And I'd always advise against people trusting AI overviews/summaries
highplainsdem
Thursday
#39
Kudos to your daughters for being so talented and so ethical. (And to you for doing such a great
highplainsdem
Thursday
#43
You should always reject it because it's unethical and harmful. Please don't use ANY AI-generated slop,
highplainsdem
Thursday
#25
Not a good use. They're musicians betraying visual artists. One of my favorite rock singers
highplainsdem
Thursday
#33
The music is fine. Using AI for the video is completely unethical AND really clueless for a musician, because
highplainsdem
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#47
AI is the equivalent of an invasive species and it will take over if not eliminated. nt
ImNotGod
Thursday
#28
We have no idea where this is going. The people behind it are all the Elons of the world, and it's about
Scrivener7
Friday
#55
I know. And some of the AI users creating those videos are cynical exploiters who were making AI
highplainsdem
Friday
#56
Yes, genAI is always a slap at artists and photographers. Some artists and photographers just refuse
highplainsdem
Friday
#61
Tell me how a few artists finding it profitable to work with AI can cancel out the incalculably vast theft
highplainsdem
Friday
#66
To/at - not a substantial difference. What I said is that not all artists agree.
Ms. Toad
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#72
It's a complete difference. You're talking about a different subject - feelings about AI versus
highplainsdem
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#73