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highplainsdem

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73. It's a complete difference. You're talking about a different subject - feelings about AI versus
Fri May 30, 2025, 11:39 PM
May 30

harm done by theft of intellectual property.

You're arguing with a straw man you set up.

Scott Eaton, for example, trained the neural networks he uses exclusively on his own art.


That's another straw man argument, another diversion from the subject of my OP. Yes, Eaton custom-trained an AI. It took him years to train it, starting with him taking hundreds of thousands of photos of nudes, photos of several volunteers, by himself, in his studio. Those photos were his intellectual property.

He then trained the AI by showing it the nude photos along with drawings that MIMICKED his drawing style. MIMIC was the word he used, in this interview:

https://thelondonmagazine.org/interview-scott-eaton-artistai/

He doesn't say where he got the drawings, but using the word MIMIC suggests they were done by someone else copying his style as they drew. He may or may not have owned the drawings, but I'm guessing he had permission to use them. They might have been work for hire, or a gift.

To be honest, I can't imagine why anyone would want to spend years to train an AI to do this, but it did give him a reason to take hundreds of thousands of photos of nude volunteers.

I'm not aware of anyone else who's trained an AI this laboriously. I don't think there's any chance anyone here at DU has trained an AI this way. And you know very well an oddly trained AI like this is not what we're talking about here.

As to the ethical issues, those are distinct. AI does not inherently steal from artists and photographers. Most of the commercial versions do - but not all artists use commercial versions.


No, the ethical issues are not at all distinct. And some artists using custom AIs in no way changes the worldwide theft of intellectual property for the AI tools most people use.

You're right that AI doesn't "inherently steal." The AI tools that are widely used were deliberately trained on stolen intellectual property. And their creation and peddling and their use by people aware of that theft is the slap AT artists.

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I so agree. WhiteTara May 2025 #1
Thanks! highplainsdem May 2025 #4
I think that your logic is the same that has always been used to oppose progress. totodeinhere May 2025 #2
You're wrong. And generative AI is anything but progress. highplainsdem May 2025 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author George McGovern May 2025 #10
faulty comparison SouthBayDem May 2025 #31
I can speak to this EarlG May 2025 #5
Thank you. Although it's heartbreaking to read about you or any other creative feeling "What's the point?" of highplainsdem May 2025 #8
I miss SwampRat's pictures. yardwork May 2025 #11
I miss pic of the moment but I totally understand your point. CrispyQ May 2025 #32
Don't use AI. Use A1. progressoid May 2025 #44
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover May 2025 #6
Thanks! highplainsdem May 2025 #34
what do you mean by "stealing"? k_buddy762 May 2025 #7
See this article: highplainsdem May 2025 #12
Most of it wasn't trained on open source or public domain stuff. Ms. Toad May 2025 #16
All AI has been trained on stolen material pinkstarburst May 30 #49
Think of the money that would have been saved Progressive dog May 2025 #9
Think of the money that would have been saved if tech companies and venture capitalists hadn't highplainsdem May 2025 #13
It is- that's capitalism... JCMach1 May 2025 #22
A comedian (I forget who) was talking about the Sistine Chapel after niyad May 30 #58
The young do not buy art anymore womanofthehills May 2025 #14
We always have a choice not to go with the flow. And everything Grok, Musk's AI, churns out is an highplainsdem May 2025 #15
it doesnt matter,its coming moonshinegnomie May 2025 #18
It can be rejected as unethical, flawed, harmful technology. And it should be. Especially by highplainsdem May 2025 #23
It does matter. Scrivener7 May 2025 #29
Problem is - the market has shrunk - people rarely buy wall art now womanofthehills May 30 #63
I've seen beautiful collages done with art that's in the public domain. Or you might try to highplainsdem May 30 #64
If I may, Highplainsdem, JMCKUSICK May 2025 #17
Thanks for the kind words! And I really hope people won't use AI for posts here. It would highplainsdem May 2025 #35
Thank you Highplainsdem, JMCKUSICK May 2025 #37
I've seen so many teachers bring this up, when talking about AI, that I felt I had to mention it. highplainsdem May 2025 #40
I'm guessing no. Like it doesn't occur to Airbnb users LisaM May 2025 #19
True all too frequently. Often they tell themselves everyone else is doing it, it's inevitable, etc. highplainsdem May 2025 #38
People do not understand or respect intellectual property. LisaM May 2025 #41
Semi-related ... krkaufman May 2025 #20
That's both funny and sad. And I'd always advise against people trusting AI overviews/summaries highplainsdem May 2025 #39
I have two artist daughters. Americanme May 2025 #21
Kudos to your daughters for being so talented and so ethical. (And to you for doing such a great highplainsdem May 2025 #43
That's a good one. usonian May 2025 #24
You should always reject it because it's unethical and harmful. Please don't use ANY AI-generated slop, highplainsdem May 2025 #25
You're fighting the good fight here. WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #26
Thanks. I'm trying. highplainsdem May 2025 #36
I have seen only one good use for AI art so far The Madcap May 2025 #27
Not a good use. They're musicians betraying visual artists. One of my favorite rock singers highplainsdem May 2025 #33
I happen to like the deforming images, The Madcap May 2025 #46
The music is fine. Using AI for the video is completely unethical AND really clueless for a musician, because highplainsdem May 30 #47
I agree pinkstarburst May 30 #51
Whether the image is appealing or not, it's still stolen pinkstarburst May 30 #50
AI is the equivalent of an invasive species and it will take over if not eliminated. nt ImNotGod May 2025 #28
Haven't seen that comparison before, but it's a good one. highplainsdem May 30 #48
AI is the devil. Scrivener7 May 2025 #30
It's certainly functioning as a devil. Did you see the video posted at highplainsdem May 30 #53
We have no idea where this is going. The people behind it are all the Elons of the world, and it's about Scrivener7 May 30 #55
100% agree obamanut2012 May 2025 #42
Thanks! highplainsdem May 30 #54
I stopped watching a lot of the videos here. progressoid May 2025 #45
I know. And some of the AI users creating those videos are cynical exploiters who were making AI highplainsdem May 30 #56
AI in the arts is trained off of stolen work pinkstarburst May 30 #52
Not all artists agree with you. Ms. Toad May 30 #57
Yes, genAI is always a slap at artists and photographers. Some artists and photographers just refuse highplainsdem May 30 #61
So who appointed you God of what artists should feel, Ms. Toad May 30 #65
Tell me how a few artists finding it profitable to work with AI can cancel out the incalculably vast theft highplainsdem May 30 #66
You said it was always a slap to artists. Ms. Toad May 30 #70
I said it was a slap AT artists, not TO them. Look at my OP. highplainsdem May 30 #71
To/at - not a substantial difference. What I said is that not all artists agree. Ms. Toad May 30 #72
It's a complete difference. You're talking about a different subject - feelings about AI versus highplainsdem May 30 #73
Some people don't seem to care MorbidButterflyTat May 30 #59
Stunning, and painful to watch. highplainsdem May 30 #67
I have so much to say about hating AI and posting clickbait memes but I won't. blogslug May 30 #60
I can understand people wanting to do that. highplainsdem May 30 #68
Thank you. mucholderthandirt May 30 #62
You're welcome, and I'm so sorry your work was stolen for training AI. highplainsdem May 30 #69
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