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Sympthsical

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47. I'm a dependable Democratic voter who voted for Harris
Fri May 30, 2025, 02:34 PM
May 30

So I'm the wrong person to ask.

But if you want me to open windows into men's souls, I think we as a party have not recognized that working and middle class people have been struggling the past five years. Groceries, housing, health care, insurance. You name it. Our educational system is collapsing. It's already been in decline, and Covid pushed fast forward on that one. Educational costs are completely out of bounds.

And do you know what voters got an eyeful of right on up til July 2024? "The economy's great, jack!" And then when pressed on how she'd change course, Harris couldn't meaningfully articulate anything she'd do differently.

I'm not discussing policies. I'm a Democrat. I generally like Democratic policies. It's why I'm here.

I'm talking about our politics. The messaging, the issues we elevate and those we ignore, the sense of the voter that a politician cares about you - even a little bit. We've done dreadfully to the point that traditional Democratic demographics have been exhibiting a seismic shift in recent years.

I'm genuinely baffled that people cannot see it. And it's that not seeing it that is entirely the problem.

We need people to love winning more than they love feeling jilted. We're getting to be like Miss Havisham and that cake.

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Just my opinion, long records of competent BootinUp May 30 #1
👍 and Loyalty of the rank and file 4139 May 30 #5
Our successful Presidents have run out of turn Buckeyeblue May 30 #9
Clinton was, by far, the longest serving governor in the nation when he ran dsc May 30 #31
But was he an insider at that point? Buckeyeblue May 30 #34
He was a major figure in the DLC by that point fujiyamasan May 30 #36
Should have run Biden in '88. Not Dukakis. Captain Zero May 30 #76
For whatever reason Biden couldn't connect with primary voters Buckeyeblue May 31 #82
One time we ran an older man, and just a couple of years older than TSF. brush May 30 #30
People seem to want "outsiders" leftstreet May 30 #2
They just want people who speak to their lives Sympthsical May 30 #8
Agreed RJ-MacReady May 30 #12
You Forgot To Include That... ProfessorGAC May 30 #13
That whole article was cat nip Sympthsical May 30 #22
The party is becoming a target for grift fujiyamasan May 30 #38
I'd Do It For Less, Too ProfessorGAC May 30 #41
Predicting what "people seem to want" based on what works for a demagogue TheProle May 30 #11
LOL leftstreet May 30 #20
Not most voters, but yes Terry_M May 30 #57
Whomever wins the primary gets the nomination MichMan May 30 #3
And that was a HUGE problem in 2024. The nominee did not come out of a primary process. Celerity May 30 #15
100% agreed Polybius May 30 #29
Agree with this. pinkstarburst May 30 #37
Anyone could have primaried Biden in 2024 Quiet Em May 30 #44
This is dangerous RJ-MacReady May 30 #46
I wasn't going to respond because I find you quite rude Quiet Em May 30 #67
Biden should have honored what he said when he ran in 2020 and NOT run in 2024. Then we could have had a beaglelover May 30 #49
President Biden never committed to one term. Quiet Em May 30 #52
Im not sure you are right about that. Not going to spend time KPN May 30 #78
You may have had that impression, Quiet Em May 31 #80
Okay, so you understood and I misunderstood. Got it. KPN May 31 #81
Anyone could have, but it's rare that incumbent presidents get viable primary challengers fujiyamasan May 30 #70
Yes, that is how it works. MineralMan May 30 #17
IF Harris had won in 2020 (not even 2024) only 3 Democratic POTUS's in the entire almost 200 year history of the Celerity May 30 #4
If Harris ran in a vacuum, there might be a point there Sympthsical May 30 #6
This. There's no really good conclusions you can take from 2024 due to confounding things EdmondDantes_ May 30 #10
Well, we got one good lesson from it Sympthsical May 30 #18
I feel like the No Identity Politics JustAnotherGen May 30 #16
Harris' share of white voters was similar to Obama's Sympthsical May 30 #21
What entree was missing from your plate? Quiet Em May 30 #24
I'm a dependable Democratic voter who voted for Harris Sympthsical May 30 #47
Fantastic post! beaglelover May 30 #50
Kamala Harris certainly recognized it. She discussed it at length. Quiet Em May 30 #54
Then keep doing what you're doing Sympthsical May 30 #63
I think you are spot on genxlib May 30 #55
To touch briefly on what you've said Sympthsical May 30 #61
I just saw a poll for the NYC mayoral race JustAnotherGen May 30 #25
NYC voter here Polybius May 30 #32
All of the commercials JustAnotherGen May 30 #53
I know nothing about NYC politics Sympthsical May 30 #51
The US political system (two party system) requires a coalition before the election thought crime May 30 #43
Kamala Harris didn't campaign on "identity politics" AZProgressive May 30 #73
It's not about voter age at all. MineralMan May 30 #19
There is a pragmatism in the party core base JustAnotherGen May 30 #26
Personally, I think pragmatism is essential in a two-party system. MineralMan May 30 #39
I can only hope JustAnotherGen May 30 #58
Well, I hope they learned something and don't do that again. MineralMan May 30 #59
Maybe it's not about age to us older folks womanofthehills May 30 #42
Lets see, who is younger, smarter and good at social media? thought crime May 30 #45
Then why not craft a message that lures voters out? Sympthsical May 30 #48
Oh, I do that as every election approaches. MineralMan May 30 #60
Grousing about young people Bettie May 30 #33
We did: JFK, Obama. They won. Ocelot II May 30 #7
Clinton was 46, Carter was 52 Sympthsical May 30 #14
The Age Wars: yet another way to blame Democrats for what has nothing to do with them. betsuni May 30 #23
It's tiresome JustAnotherGen May 30 #27
One of the greatest problems with white democrats Keepthesoulalive May 30 #35
The maga Repubs feed the souls JustAnotherGen May 30 #56
For anyone wondering, here's the average age of candidates from both Parties over the past 65 years: Polybius May 30 #28
Before Trump, it was pretty easy to predict the Republican nominee - it was whoever's turn it was: Midwestern Democrat May 30 #71
I think running someone younger might help with the youth vote pinkstarburst May 30 #40
Issues don't work JustAnotherGen May 30 #75
It isnt an issue of youth. It really isnt. It is an issue of messaging. SSJVegeta May 30 #62
JFK, LBJ, Carter, Bill Clinton, Obama were all in their 50's or younger when elected. madinmaryland May 30 #64
Well, for someone like me, who MineralMan May 30 #65
A comment I saw the other day on FB: "OMG! Imagine the mess we'd be in if she'd won!!" CrispyQ May 30 #66
No doubt.... MineralMan May 30 #68
Well said, MineralMan. (nt) Paladin May 30 #69
To reverse an old saying... GJGCA May 30 #72
We still have a gerontocracy problem AZProgressive May 30 #74
How quickly we forget, mcar May 30 #77
We don't run candidates, they run themselves, as it should be. Groundhawg May 30 #79
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