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In reply to the discussion: What will happen if(when?) the birthrate drops dramatically? [View all]Wiz Imp
(5,224 posts)60. A much saner view of the topic which correctly points out that it is nothing remotely to fear.
It's actually a good thing.
https://populationconnection.org/blog/world-population-day-five-reasons-to-stop-panicking-over-low-birth-rates/
World Population Day: Five reasons to stop panicking over low birth rates
July 11 is World Population Day, a United Nations observance day which seeks to raise awareness of population issues. There are many misconceptions about demographic trends and their implications. Even though our global population soared past the 8 billion mark last November and is projected to keep growing to over 10 billion in the 2080s, population coverage in the media is currently dominated by concern about a supposed baby bust.
Space colonization-obsessed tech billionaire Elon Musk went as far as making the bizarre claim that low birth rates are a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming.
Space colonization-obsessed tech billionaire Elon Musk went as far as making the bizarre claim that low birth rates are a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming.
Note: Musk as usual is on the wrong side of this. The fact that he thinks it's something to panic about proves to me that there is absolutely nothing to fear.
1) Low birth rates are a result of womens empowerment.
2) Small families are good for people and society.
3) Our planet needs zero population growth.
4) Babies are dependents too.
5) Growth-dependent economies have no place in the future.
2) Small families are good for people and society.
3) Our planet needs zero population growth.
4) Babies are dependents too.
5) Growth-dependent economies have no place in the future.
The key thing that shows how stupid their arguments are is #4
Governments worry about a growing proportion of non-working dependents as a result of population aging, but trying to counter this with more babies makes little sense, as they are also non-working dependents, arguably a lot more so than older people. It takes many years for a baby to turn into a tax-paying worker, and while they dont require pensions, young dependents necessitate investment in other areas, such as education.
Furthermore, retirees often make significant contributions to society in the form of voluntary work and childcare. Greater investment in preventive healthcare to keep older people able-bodied for as long as possible is a more beneficial solution, as are workplace inclusion efforts to attract and enable people who are currently excluded from many workplaces. This includes young migrants, who make much better potential workers and tax payers in the short term than infants.
Furthermore, retirees often make significant contributions to society in the form of voluntary work and childcare. Greater investment in preventive healthcare to keep older people able-bodied for as long as possible is a more beneficial solution, as are workplace inclusion efforts to attract and enable people who are currently excluded from many workplaces. This includes young migrants, who make much better potential workers and tax payers in the short term than infants.
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The earth might, but if you read the interview, you'll get the idea that humanity might not. nt
LAS14
Thursday
#7
We're really going to go full Handmaids Tale on DU behind forced-birther Douthat's column?
Prairie Gates
Thursday
#3
Long time ago and when there wasn't a policy system of younger people supporting older people
uponit7771
Friday
#31
You accuse me of throwing out meaningless strawmen, then throw in meaningless stories about US cities.
Crunchy Frog
Sunday
#107
More like too much population that can't be supported on the limited resources this planet has.
mwmisses4289
Friday
#58
The "survival of the planet"? The Earth is not "alive" but has living things on it that can die.
elocs
Saturday
#83
I was asking why you said the falling birthrate was scary, not what the article said
LearnedHand
Thursday
#10
Douthat is not a scientist, anthropologist, statistician, or sociologist. There is no reason to take what he says
WhiskeyGrinder
Thursday
#13
Ha, that's on me, for drinking on a Thursday night. What do you find scary about it all?
WhiskeyGrinder
Thursday
#16
LOL. AI is going to make all of us obsolete anyway. The last thing we need is more people to
Scrivener7
Friday
#37
The article says the birth rate hasn't declined as much with muslims
questionseverything
Thursday
#20
No, there are some who agree with her. Don't ask me who, because I'm not going to go seek
Scrivener7
Friday
#38
Governments around the world are trying to find ways to replace their populations. nt
LAS14
Friday
#48
If you keep going backwards jumping 1000 years, the world was always surviving with fewer people and if the
RoeVWade
Friday
#27
Not sure when we reached 1 billion, but we reached 4 billion around 1980, and in just the following
Cloudhopper
Friday
#30
Meh. When I was born the population of the USA was about 180 million. Today it's twice that.
Scrivener7
Friday
#34
Yes. Because for the first time in history, they don't have to. That's a good thing.
Scrivener7
Friday
#62
Going with, appreciate MORE who is here and not act like just churning out workers?
Brainfodder
Friday
#42
I see that a lot of people assume that bringing attention to a problem is the same thing...
LAS14
Friday
#44
This is DU where there is no requirement to actually read an article to respond to it
elocs
Saturday
#84
A much saner view of the topic which correctly points out that it is nothing remotely to fear.
Wiz Imp
Friday
#60
Food insecurity (starvation) and declining health due to Mango Menace policies will do far worse damage
dickthegrouch
Friday
#72