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Sympthsical

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21. Harris' share of white voters was similar to Obama's
Fri May 30, 2025, 12:10 PM
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It's everyone else who significantly shifted over.

I've been thinking of this issue since our last exchange, how to articulate how to see it. I think I've landed on the problem.

The Democratic Party is reliant on coalitional politics. We're always trying to tailor policies, messages, and strategies to this or that group in an attempt to curry favor and nudge turn out in each separate community by a few percentage points. When they do this, they turn to activists, party influencers, and a network of "minority community whisperers" who may or may not actually understand the communities they're ostensibly speaking for. (If your consultant grew up in an affluent suburb and went to the Ivy League where they networked their way into the party, are they really giving good advice on how the bulk of their community sees the world?)

Each election is dinner time. And every time, we have to keep 20 different plates spinning in the air. Which takes a lot of resources and is getting harder and harder to do in a culture that is increasingly homogenized by social media.

My thought is "Stop spinning plates. Just set the damn table." Have a core set of policies that appeal to all of these groups, then hammer them into the ground.

That is not to say to ignore issues like discrimination. Far from. But it cannot be our entire identity, because each spinning plate can now see what you're telling the other plates. We're having major economic problems in this country, and our image as a party is that we are forever fixated on identity issues. It cannot be what we're known for, because how communities interact and how they see themselves has evolved. Latinos, just to use one group, increasingly identify themselves through the economic situation rather than a racial identity. But all our politics are geared to see them mainly through a racial lens. AAPI is starting to go through a similar evolution.

It's gotta be something else. Grow or die. Get your core policies together, and then go out into each community and explain how those core policies are good for them. The end. Stop pitting everyone against each other and compartmentalizing them into discrete and disparate groups.

We need a new coalition based on common interests. The old one is breaking down, if it is not already broken down.

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Just my opinion, long records of competent BootinUp Friday #1
👍 and Loyalty of the rank and file 4139 Friday #5
Our successful Presidents have run out of turn Buckeyeblue Friday #9
Clinton was, by far, the longest serving governor in the nation when he ran dsc Friday #31
But was he an insider at that point? Buckeyeblue Friday #34
He was a major figure in the DLC by that point fujiyamasan Friday #36
Should have run Biden in '88. Not Dukakis. Captain Zero Friday #76
For whatever reason Biden couldn't connect with primary voters Buckeyeblue Saturday #82
One time we ran an older man, and just a couple of years older than TSF. brush Friday #30
People seem to want "outsiders" leftstreet Friday #2
They just want people who speak to their lives Sympthsical Friday #8
Agreed RJ-MacReady Friday #12
You Forgot To Include That... ProfessorGAC Friday #13
That whole article was cat nip Sympthsical Friday #22
The party is becoming a target for grift fujiyamasan Friday #38
I'd Do It For Less, Too ProfessorGAC Friday #41
Predicting what "people seem to want" based on what works for a demagogue TheProle Friday #11
LOL leftstreet Friday #20
Not most voters, but yes Terry_M Friday #57
Whomever wins the primary gets the nomination MichMan Friday #3
And that was a HUGE problem in 2024. The nominee did not come out of a primary process. Celerity Friday #15
100% agreed Polybius Friday #29
Agree with this. pinkstarburst Friday #37
Anyone could have primaried Biden in 2024 Quiet Em Friday #44
This is dangerous RJ-MacReady Friday #46
I wasn't going to respond because I find you quite rude Quiet Em Friday #67
Biden should have honored what he said when he ran in 2020 and NOT run in 2024. Then we could have had a beaglelover Friday #49
President Biden never committed to one term. Quiet Em Friday #52
Im not sure you are right about that. Not going to spend time KPN Friday #78
You may have had that impression, Quiet Em Saturday #80
Okay, so you understood and I misunderstood. Got it. KPN Saturday #81
Anyone could have, but it's rare that incumbent presidents get viable primary challengers fujiyamasan Friday #70
Yes, that is how it works. MineralMan Friday #17
IF Harris had won in 2020 (not even 2024) only 3 Democratic POTUS's in the entire almost 200 year history of the Celerity Friday #4
If Harris ran in a vacuum, there might be a point there Sympthsical Friday #6
This. There's no really good conclusions you can take from 2024 due to confounding things EdmondDantes_ Friday #10
Well, we got one good lesson from it Sympthsical Friday #18
I feel like the No Identity Politics JustAnotherGen Friday #16
Harris' share of white voters was similar to Obama's Sympthsical Friday #21
What entree was missing from your plate? Quiet Em Friday #24
I'm a dependable Democratic voter who voted for Harris Sympthsical Friday #47
Fantastic post! beaglelover Friday #50
Kamala Harris certainly recognized it. She discussed it at length. Quiet Em Friday #54
Then keep doing what you're doing Sympthsical Friday #63
I think you are spot on genxlib Friday #55
To touch briefly on what you've said Sympthsical Friday #61
I just saw a poll for the NYC mayoral race JustAnotherGen Friday #25
NYC voter here Polybius Friday #32
All of the commercials JustAnotherGen Friday #53
I know nothing about NYC politics Sympthsical Friday #51
The US political system (two party system) requires a coalition before the election thought crime Friday #43
Kamala Harris didn't campaign on "identity politics" AZProgressive Friday #73
It's not about voter age at all. MineralMan Friday #19
There is a pragmatism in the party core base JustAnotherGen Friday #26
Personally, I think pragmatism is essential in a two-party system. MineralMan Friday #39
I can only hope JustAnotherGen Friday #58
Well, I hope they learned something and don't do that again. MineralMan Friday #59
Maybe it's not about age to us older folks womanofthehills Friday #42
Lets see, who is younger, smarter and good at social media? thought crime Friday #45
Then why not craft a message that lures voters out? Sympthsical Friday #48
Oh, I do that as every election approaches. MineralMan Friday #60
Grousing about young people Bettie Friday #33
We did: JFK, Obama. They won. Ocelot II Friday #7
Clinton was 46, Carter was 52 Sympthsical Friday #14
The Age Wars: yet another way to blame Democrats for what has nothing to do with them. betsuni Friday #23
It's tiresome JustAnotherGen Friday #27
One of the greatest problems with white democrats Keepthesoulalive Friday #35
The maga Repubs feed the souls JustAnotherGen Friday #56
For anyone wondering, here's the average age of candidates from both Parties over the past 65 years: Polybius Friday #28
Before Trump, it was pretty easy to predict the Republican nominee - it was whoever's turn it was: Midwestern Democrat Friday #71
I think running someone younger might help with the youth vote pinkstarburst Friday #40
Issues don't work JustAnotherGen Friday #75
It isnt an issue of youth. It really isnt. It is an issue of messaging. SSJVegeta Friday #62
JFK, LBJ, Carter, Bill Clinton, Obama were all in their 50's or younger when elected. madinmaryland Friday #64
Well, for someone like me, who MineralMan Friday #65
A comment I saw the other day on FB: "OMG! Imagine the mess we'd be in if she'd won!!" CrispyQ Friday #66
No doubt.... MineralMan Friday #68
Well said, MineralMan. (nt) Paladin Friday #69
To reverse an old saying... GJGCA Friday #72
We still have a gerontocracy problem AZProgressive Friday #74
How quickly we forget, mcar Friday #77
We don't run candidates, they run themselves, as it should be. Groundhawg Friday #79
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