General Discussion

AloeVera

(3,632 posts)

117. But then it's still a conundrum.

Sat May 24, 2025, 10:53 PM

May 2025

How do you solve that?

This is why the "new definition" of anti-semitism is insane and dangerous. Of course that's why Israel pushed for it. Probably sealed the fate of Palestinians. And now their supporters in the U.S. who are hounded, criminalized, jailed and deported with the aid of that definition by the Trump Admin.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

2 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

moniss Crunchy Frog

145 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Never say Isreal is doing this to Gaza: [View all] Chasstev365 May 2025 OP

Thank you Mossfern May 2025 #1

There's been plenty of support for his actions in Gaza on DU (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #16

Ok, enough of this bullshit. I challenge you. Beastly Boy May 2025 #98

A quick search does yield this: snot May 2025 #107

How many of these were authored by DUers? Beastly Boy May 2025 #115

I started to apologize and thank you for the correction, snot May 2025 #130

The OP is certainly applicable way beyond DU. Beastly Boy May 2025 #133

24 hours later, and not a single response to my challenge Beastly Boy May 2025 #134

That's bollocks and you know it. muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #135

I didn't challenge you to send me mail. Beastly Boy May 2025 #136

You challenge me and others to break the DU rules muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #141

No I do not. Furthermore, I instructed you how to meet my challenge without breaking DU rules. Beastly Boy May 2025 #143

And never say critics of Netenyahu's elected government are anti-Semitic. sop May 2025 #2

I haven't seen that, but I can't say that it doesn't exist Mossfern May 2025 #7

Critics of Israel's (Netenyahu's) rightwing government's Gaza policies are routinely accused of being anti-Semitic. sop May 2025 #9

Are they specifying Netanyahu and Right Wing Mossfern May 2025 #10

You're splitting hairs here. sop May 2025 #12

That is not true Mossfern May 2025 #15

Obviously people in the rest of the world do say "America" - that's what humans do muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #17

Sadly, these debates always devolve into someone being accused of being anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas or worse. sop May 2025 #21

Let's try it right here. yardwork May 2025 #20

I won't, but I never conflate Israel's and Netenyahu's rightwing government's actions in Gaza with being a Jew. sop May 2025 #24

Still haven't been accused of antisemitism.... yardwork May 2025 #26

Hours later, still no accusation of antisemitism. yardwork May 2025 #72

Exemplifies the issue krkaufman May 2025 #42

Honestly Mossfern May 2025 #45

A major problem is the "new" definition moniss May 2025 #68

Rec'd Mossfern May 2025 #69

Very thoughtful post as always. AloeVera May 2025 #95

I meant not the Christians or others based on moniss May 2025 #101

But then it's still a conundrum. AloeVera May 2025 #117

Yes and sadly there is no real solution now so all I moniss May 2025 #118

Agreed, with one caveat. Beastly Boy May 2025 #99

It is not just the IHRA language that makes up the moniss May 2025 #110

If I understand you correctly, it is not the IHRA definition of antisemitism that is the object to your objections. Beastly Boy May 2025 #121

The point is correct about things that go beyond moniss May 2025 #123

Let me begin with an acknowledgement that Beastly Boy May 2025 #125

I am glad that you covered the subject of moniss May 2025 #129

Here on DU? yardwork May 2025 #14

Maybe if you think these posts are "truly antisemitic" but they don't get removed muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #49

It's just bullying. yardwork May 2025 #78

Your posts in this thread are weak sauce - "I criticize Netanyahu - I dare someone to call me an antisemite" muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #81

Nonsense. yardwork May 2025 #82

So you won't point out an aspect of Israeli policy in Gaza that you condemn? muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #83

I'm not playing your game. yardwork May 2025 #91

This is no game. It's about ongoing deaths. muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #92

Well said. Violet_Crumble May 2025 #102

well... WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #3

That's probably because Mountainguy May 2025 #36

What Hamas did on October 7 was monstrous. It does everyone a disservice to repeat falsehoods about it. WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #47

It does everyone a disservice Mountainguy May 2025 #53

Citation on the babies being sliced apart and stuffed into ovens? WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #61

There are eye-witness accounts Mountainguy May 2025 #74

Yeah from what I've seen, the claims about babies cut in half or put in ovens are routinely discounted. WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #76

"discounted" Mountainguy May 2025 #79

That's not how proof works Buzz cook May 2025 #80

. WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #85

I think I replied to the wrong post. Buzz cook May 2025 #120

The proof is the eye-witness testimony Mountainguy May 2025 #128

Once again. You are making a claim Buzz cook May 2025 #131

Burned baby Mountainguy May 2025 #137

Yes two babies were murdered. Buzz cook May 2025 #138

Ok.... Mountainguy May 2025 #139

Do you read the articles you post? No where in your post Buzz cook May 2025 #145

When does claudette May 2025 #127

It's been proven no babies were "sliced apart" womanofthehills May 2025 #142

The link i posted shows the burned body Mountainguy May 2025 #144

But Israel has been visiting violence and hatred on Gaza, since the very beginning of the nakba indusurb May 2025 #4

Please read a detailed account Mossfern May 2025 #5

He really needs to read it JustAnotherGen May 2025 #8

I hope he likes pizza Mossfern May 2025 #11

He's still here JustAnotherGen May 2025 #19

Perhaps because you called out the wrong "newbie" in your link? AloeVera May 2025 #39

You are using another poster (the one at your link) to insinuate that a poster in this thread (indusurb) attacked Biden Celerity May 2025 #37

You owe them an apology. They're not the poster you linked to... Violet_Crumble May 2025 #108

By the same token... AloeVera May 2025 #64

Post removed Post removed May 2025 #6

What are you talking about? From 1948 throgh 1967 it was Egypt that controlled and occupied Gaza. lapucelle May 2025 #22

Haaretz: Account From '56 Describes Slaughter and Rape by Israeli Troops in Gaza. Is It True? David__77 May 2025 #27

Did you read your link? The "account" is a work of fiction --- a short story. lapucelle May 2025 #30

Yes, it discussed Israeli censorship related to its 1956 actions in Gaza. David__77 May 2025 #32

Fun fact: the fictitious "account" occurred during the Suez Crisis when Egypt was occupying Gaza. lapucelle May 2025 #34

The 1956-57 occupation of the Gaza Strip : Israeli proposals to resettle the Palestinian refugees. David__77 May 2025 #35

Did you read the article you linked to? I did. lapucelle May 2025 #43

And . . . Richard D May 2025 #51

Gaza is Palestine. David__77 May 2025 #59

It's history is a lot more complicated than that. Richard D May 2025 #70

Isn't it more accurate to name the right wing parties harumph May 2025 #13

I think that many include "right wing" in their condemnation. Mossfern May 2025 #18

True. harumph May 2025 #29

There's nothing wrong with opposing Israel's social system. David__77 May 2025 #23

Sure, but don't forget Mossfern May 2025 #25

Sure those other ones suck as well. Eko May 2025 #86

Israel has a diverse population Mossfern May 2025 #87

I'm with you but the post was about Israel. Eko May 2025 #88

I wasn't aware that it was restricted Mossfern May 2025 #90

Huh. Eko May 2025 #100

Fair enough Mossfern May 2025 #104

Or if what happens in Israel is from some people in Gaza. You got it. Eko May 2025 #109

Not quite the same .... Mossfern May 2025 #111

I think its the same, the Mideast, North America. Can I ask what makes it not quite the same? Eko May 2025 #112

Cuba is not North America Mossfern May 2025 #113

I think it is. Eko May 2025 #114

More. Eko May 2025 #116

Didn't Israelis elect Netanyahu? NoRethugFriends May 2025 #28

Did all Americans elect Trump? Mossfern May 2025 #31

I understand that NoRethugFriends May 2025 #46

I agree with you Mossfern May 2025 #52

Didn't Gazans elect Hamas? Mountainguy May 2025 #40

Well yeah, but you knew that was nearly two decades ago. AloeVera May 2025 #71

Cool Mountainguy May 2025 #75

I'll simplify it for you. AloeVera May 2025 #84

Some people want any excuse to hate and attack Jews JI7 May 2025 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman May 2025 #38

I'll buy that. NNadir May 2025 #41

However... Mark.Gray May 2025 #44

The buck stops where ? Wherefore art thou ? Where the bucks are Tetrachloride May 2025 #48

Post removed Post removed May 2025 #50

Wll, Hello!!! So nice of you to join the conversation. GP6971 May 2025 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2025 #65

Israel is a democracy AlexSFCA May 2025 #55

You can blame the people who voted for him ... Mossfern May 2025 #57

the only poll that matter is the one on election day AlexSFCA May 2025 #60

So you're fine Mossfern May 2025 #62

the country is being defined by him here and abroad AlexSFCA May 2025 #63

I know Mossfern May 2025 #66

while true - it should be noted that it is EQUALLY true stopdiggin May 2025 #56

The United States committed genocide on indigenous peoples. Cuthbert Allgood May 2025 #58

People commit atrocities, commit murder, torture, starve, other people. Ping Tung May 2025 #67

a different party ruling Israel would not be doing this DBoon May 2025 #73

I always name Netanyahu. True Blue American May 2025 #77

Post removed Post removed May 2025 #89

Why are you posting this on DU. No one Nanjeanne May 2025 #93

Au contraire mon frere. I have read comments on this site that are basically a chorus of "From the River to the Sea" Noodleboy13 May 2025 #94

Or perhaps you ascribe what you read as pro Hamas in your mind only. Don't expect any responses to your Nanjeanne May 2025 #96

+1 Celerity May 2025 #122

You mean pro freedom fighter. Lots of those around. nt LexVegas May 2025 #97

I think, like America's unconditional support for Israeli funding walkingman May 2025 #103

while that might be true... mike_c May 2025 #105

Is it -real or -rael GJGCA May 2025 #106

When I travel, I'm judged as an American and blamed ecstatic May 2025 #119

Sure, because when talking about Israel, it's NEVER "all" of Israel, including civilians, responsible for atrocities maxrandb May 2025 #124

The majority of claudette May 2025 #126

Yet, you have this: Mossfern May 2025 #132

Apparently, a majority of Israelis are opposed to what their government is doing to Gaza. lees1975 May 2025 #140