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56. while true - it should be noted that it is EQUALLY true

Sat May 24, 2025, 12:16 PM

May 24

that the weight of Trump's actions will fall upon ALL Americans - both internally and externally. And the sad fact is that beyond the internal hardships and pain - that will ALSO include the distrust, disgust (and perhaps loathing and hatred?) people around the world level on us - WITHOUT a great deal of distinction regarding where this or that individual U.S. citizen voted. Unjust? Perhaps. But, again sadly, that's just the way it works. When the bombs start to fall ... (or tariff levied, or visa revoked ..) They fall on everyone.

(As an aside - and not really connected to above point - it would be kind of interesting to see if Israel is seeing any kind of exodus in citizenship? Meaning people actually leaving the country in response to the country's current trajectory? As is loudly talked about - but most likely actually practiced in very minimal numbers - here in the U.S.?)

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Never say Isreal is doing this to Gaza: [View all] Chasstev365 May 24 OP

Thank you Mossfern May 24 #1

There's been plenty of support for his actions in Gaza on DU (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 24 #16

Ok, enough of this bullshit. I challenge you. Beastly Boy May 24 #98

A quick search does yield this: snot May 24 #107

How many of these were authored by DUers? Beastly Boy May 24 #115

I started to apologize and thank you for the correction, snot May 25 #130

The OP is certainly applicable way beyond DU. Beastly Boy May 25 #133

24 hours later, and not a single response to my challenge Beastly Boy May 25 #134

That's bollocks and you know it. muriel_volestrangler May 25 #135

I didn't challenge you to send me mail. Beastly Boy May 25 #136

You challenge me and others to break the DU rules muriel_volestrangler May 26 #141

No I do not. Furthermore, I instructed you how to meet my challenge without breaking DU rules. Beastly Boy May 26 #143

And never say critics of Netenyahu's elected government are anti-Semitic. sop May 24 #2

I haven't seen that, but I can't say that it doesn't exist Mossfern May 24 #7

Critics of Israel's (Netenyahu's) rightwing government's Gaza policies are routinely accused of being anti-Semitic. sop May 24 #9

Are they specifying Netanyahu and Right Wing Mossfern May 24 #10

You're splitting hairs here. sop May 24 #12

That is not true Mossfern May 24 #15

Obviously people in the rest of the world do say "America" - that's what humans do muriel_volestrangler May 24 #17

Sadly, these debates always devolve into someone being accused of being anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas or worse. sop May 24 #21

Let's try it right here. yardwork May 24 #20

I won't, but I never conflate Israel's and Netenyahu's rightwing government's actions in Gaza with being a Jew. sop May 24 #24

Still haven't been accused of antisemitism.... yardwork May 24 #26

Hours later, still no accusation of antisemitism. yardwork May 24 #72

Exemplifies the issue krkaufman May 24 #42

Honestly Mossfern May 24 #45

A major problem is the "new" definition moniss May 24 #68

Rec'd Mossfern May 24 #69

Very thoughtful post as always. AloeVera May 24 #95

I meant not the Christians or others based on moniss May 24 #101

But then it's still a conundrum. AloeVera May 24 #117

Yes and sadly there is no real solution now so all I moniss May 24 #118

Agreed, with one caveat. Beastly Boy May 24 #99

It is not just the IHRA language that makes up the moniss May 24 #110

If I understand you correctly, it is not the IHRA definition of antisemitism that is the object to your objections. Beastly Boy May 25 #121

The point is correct about things that go beyond moniss May 25 #123

Let me begin with an acknowledgement that Beastly Boy May 25 #125

I am glad that you covered the subject of moniss May 25 #129

Here on DU? yardwork May 24 #14

Maybe if you think these posts are "truly antisemitic" but they don't get removed muriel_volestrangler May 24 #49

It's just bullying. yardwork May 24 #78

Your posts in this thread are weak sauce - "I criticize Netanyahu - I dare someone to call me an antisemite" muriel_volestrangler May 24 #81

Nonsense. yardwork May 24 #82

So you won't point out an aspect of Israeli policy in Gaza that you condemn? muriel_volestrangler May 24 #83

I'm not playing your game. yardwork May 24 #91

This is no game. It's about ongoing deaths. muriel_volestrangler May 24 #92

Well said. Violet_Crumble May 24 #102

well... WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #3

That's probably because Mountainguy May 24 #36

What Hamas did on October 7 was monstrous. It does everyone a disservice to repeat falsehoods about it. WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #47

It does everyone a disservice Mountainguy May 24 #53

Citation on the babies being sliced apart and stuffed into ovens? WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #61

There are eye-witness accounts Mountainguy May 24 #74

Yeah from what I've seen, the claims about babies cut in half or put in ovens are routinely discounted. WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #76

"discounted" Mountainguy May 24 #79

That's not how proof works Buzz cook May 24 #80

. WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #85

I think I replied to the wrong post. Buzz cook May 25 #120

The proof is the eye-witness testimony Mountainguy May 25 #128

Once again. You are making a claim Buzz cook May 25 #131

Burned baby Mountainguy May 25 #137

Yes two babies were murdered. Buzz cook May 26 #138

Ok.... Mountainguy May 26 #139

Do you read the articles you post? No where in your post Buzz cook May 27 #145

When does claudette May 25 #127

It's been proven no babies were "sliced apart" womanofthehills May 26 #142

The link i posted shows the burned body Mountainguy May 26 #144

But Israel has been visiting violence and hatred on Gaza, since the very beginning of the nakba indusurb May 24 #4

Please read a detailed account Mossfern May 24 #5

He really needs to read it JustAnotherGen May 24 #8

I hope he likes pizza Mossfern May 24 #11

He's still here JustAnotherGen May 24 #19

Perhaps because you called out the wrong "newbie" in your link? AloeVera May 24 #39

You are using another poster (the one at your link) to insinuate that a poster in this thread (indusurb) attacked Biden Celerity May 24 #37

You owe them an apology. They're not the poster you linked to... Violet_Crumble May 24 #108

By the same token... AloeVera May 24 #64

Post removed Post removed May 24 #6

What are you talking about? From 1948 throgh 1967 it was Egypt that controlled and occupied Gaza. lapucelle May 24 #22

Haaretz: Account From '56 Describes Slaughter and Rape by Israeli Troops in Gaza. Is It True? David__77 May 24 #27

Did you read your link? The "account" is a work of fiction --- a short story. lapucelle May 24 #30

Yes, it discussed Israeli censorship related to its 1956 actions in Gaza. David__77 May 24 #32

Fun fact: the fictitious "account" occurred during the Suez Crisis when Egypt was occupying Gaza. lapucelle May 24 #34

The 1956-57 occupation of the Gaza Strip : Israeli proposals to resettle the Palestinian refugees. David__77 May 24 #35

Did you read the article you linked to? I did. lapucelle May 24 #43

And . . . Richard D May 24 #51

Gaza is Palestine. David__77 May 24 #59

It's history is a lot more complicated than that. Richard D May 24 #70

Isn't it more accurate to name the right wing parties harumph May 24 #13

I think that many include "right wing" in their condemnation. Mossfern May 24 #18

True. harumph May 24 #29

There's nothing wrong with opposing Israel's social system. David__77 May 24 #23

Sure, but don't forget Mossfern May 24 #25

Sure those other ones suck as well. Eko May 24 #86

Israel has a diverse population Mossfern May 24 #87

I'm with you but the post was about Israel. Eko May 24 #88

I wasn't aware that it was restricted Mossfern May 24 #90

Huh. Eko May 24 #100

Fair enough Mossfern May 24 #104

Or if what happens in Israel is from some people in Gaza. You got it. Eko May 24 #109

Not quite the same .... Mossfern May 24 #111

I think its the same, the Mideast, North America. Can I ask what makes it not quite the same? Eko May 24 #112

Cuba is not North America Mossfern May 24 #113

I think it is. Eko May 24 #114

More. Eko May 24 #116

Didn't Israelis elect Netanyahu? NoRethugFriends May 24 #28

Did all Americans elect Trump? Mossfern May 24 #31

I understand that NoRethugFriends May 24 #46

I agree with you Mossfern May 24 #52

Didn't Gazans elect Hamas? Mountainguy May 24 #40

Well yeah, but you knew that was nearly two decades ago. AloeVera May 24 #71

Cool Mountainguy May 24 #75

I'll simplify it for you. AloeVera May 24 #84

Some people want any excuse to hate and attack Jews JI7 May 24 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman May 24 #38

I'll buy that. NNadir May 24 #41

However... Mark.Gray May 24 #44

The buck stops where ? Wherefore art thou ? Where the bucks are Tetrachloride May 24 #48

Post removed Post removed May 24 #50

Wll, Hello!!! So nice of you to join the conversation. GP6971 May 24 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed May 24 #65

Israel is a democracy AlexSFCA May 24 #55

You can blame the people who voted for him ... Mossfern May 24 #57

the only poll that matter is the one on election day AlexSFCA May 24 #60

So you're fine Mossfern May 24 #62

the country is being defined by him here and abroad AlexSFCA May 24 #63

I know Mossfern May 24 #66

while true - it should be noted that it is EQUALLY true stopdiggin May 24 #56

The United States committed genocide on indigenous peoples. Cuthbert Allgood May 24 #58

People commit atrocities, commit murder, torture, starve, other people. Ping Tung May 24 #67

a different party ruling Israel would not be doing this DBoon May 24 #73

I always name Netanyahu. True Blue American May 24 #77

Post removed Post removed May 24 #89

Why are you posting this on DU. No one Nanjeanne May 24 #93

Au contraire mon frere. I have read comments on this site that are basically a chorus of "From the River to the Sea" Noodleboy13 May 24 #94

Or perhaps you ascribe what you read as pro Hamas in your mind only. Don't expect any responses to your Nanjeanne May 24 #96

+1 Celerity May 25 #122

You mean pro freedom fighter. Lots of those around. nt LexVegas May 24 #97

I think, like America's unconditional support for Israeli funding walkingman May 24 #103

while that might be true... mike_c May 24 #105

Is it -real or -rael GJGCA May 24 #106

When I travel, I'm judged as an American and blamed ecstatic May 24 #119

Sure, because when talking about Israel, it's NEVER "all" of Israel, including civilians, responsible for atrocities maxrandb May 25 #124

The majority of claudette May 25 #126

Yet, you have this: Mossfern May 25 #132

Apparently, a majority of Israelis are opposed to what their government is doing to Gaza. lees1975 May 26 #140