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WhiskeyGrinder

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Sat May 24, 2025, 09:29 AM

May 24

https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

Meanwhile, large swaths of the Israeli public appear to support the mass expulsion of Palestinians and condone the concept of genocide in the abstract, according to a recent poll I commissioned through the Israeli polling firm Geocartography.

In the representative sample of Jewish Israelis who were polled from March 10-11, 2025, 82% supported the forced expulsion of Gaza’s population to other countries, while 56% endorsed the expulsion of Israel’s Arab citizens. By comparison, according to a 2003 poll, only 46% supported the “transfer of Palestinian residents of the occupied territories,” and just 31% supported the “transfer of Israel’s Arab citizens.”

Moreover, in my poll I relayed a story from the Book of Joshua, in which the ancient Israelites conquered the city of Jericho and killed all of its inhabitants.

When I asked respondents whether the Israeli army, when conquering an enemy city, should act similarly to the Israelites when they conquered Jericho, 47% of respondents said they should.

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Never say Isreal is doing this to Gaza: [View all] Chasstev365 May 24 OP

Thank you Mossfern May 24 #1

There's been plenty of support for his actions in Gaza on DU (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 24 #16

Ok, enough of this bullshit. I challenge you. Beastly Boy May 24 #98

A quick search does yield this: snot May 24 #107

How many of these were authored by DUers? Beastly Boy May 24 #115

I started to apologize and thank you for the correction, snot May 25 #130

The OP is certainly applicable way beyond DU. Beastly Boy May 25 #133

24 hours later, and not a single response to my challenge Beastly Boy May 25 #134

That's bollocks and you know it. muriel_volestrangler May 25 #135

I didn't challenge you to send me mail. Beastly Boy May 25 #136

You challenge me and others to break the DU rules muriel_volestrangler May 26 #141

No I do not. Furthermore, I instructed you how to meet my challenge without breaking DU rules. Beastly Boy May 26 #143

And never say critics of Netenyahu's elected government are anti-Semitic. sop May 24 #2

I haven't seen that, but I can't say that it doesn't exist Mossfern May 24 #7

Critics of Israel's (Netenyahu's) rightwing government's Gaza policies are routinely accused of being anti-Semitic. sop May 24 #9

Are they specifying Netanyahu and Right Wing Mossfern May 24 #10

You're splitting hairs here. sop May 24 #12

That is not true Mossfern May 24 #15

Obviously people in the rest of the world do say "America" - that's what humans do muriel_volestrangler May 24 #17

Sadly, these debates always devolve into someone being accused of being anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas or worse. sop May 24 #21

Let's try it right here. yardwork May 24 #20

I won't, but I never conflate Israel's and Netenyahu's rightwing government's actions in Gaza with being a Jew. sop May 24 #24

Still haven't been accused of antisemitism.... yardwork May 24 #26

Hours later, still no accusation of antisemitism. yardwork May 24 #72

Exemplifies the issue krkaufman May 24 #42

Honestly Mossfern May 24 #45

A major problem is the "new" definition moniss May 24 #68

Rec'd Mossfern May 24 #69

Very thoughtful post as always. AloeVera May 24 #95

I meant not the Christians or others based on moniss May 24 #101

But then it's still a conundrum. AloeVera May 24 #117

Yes and sadly there is no real solution now so all I moniss May 24 #118

Agreed, with one caveat. Beastly Boy May 24 #99

It is not just the IHRA language that makes up the moniss May 24 #110

If I understand you correctly, it is not the IHRA definition of antisemitism that is the object to your objections. Beastly Boy May 25 #121

The point is correct about things that go beyond moniss May 25 #123

Let me begin with an acknowledgement that Beastly Boy May 25 #125

I am glad that you covered the subject of moniss May 25 #129

Here on DU? yardwork May 24 #14

Maybe if you think these posts are "truly antisemitic" but they don't get removed muriel_volestrangler May 24 #49

It's just bullying. yardwork May 24 #78

Your posts in this thread are weak sauce - "I criticize Netanyahu - I dare someone to call me an antisemite" muriel_volestrangler May 24 #81

Nonsense. yardwork May 24 #82

So you won't point out an aspect of Israeli policy in Gaza that you condemn? muriel_volestrangler May 24 #83

I'm not playing your game. yardwork May 24 #91

This is no game. It's about ongoing deaths. muriel_volestrangler May 24 #92

Well said. Violet_Crumble May 24 #102

well... WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #3

That's probably because Mountainguy May 24 #36

What Hamas did on October 7 was monstrous. It does everyone a disservice to repeat falsehoods about it. WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #47

It does everyone a disservice Mountainguy May 24 #53

Citation on the babies being sliced apart and stuffed into ovens? WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #61

There are eye-witness accounts Mountainguy May 24 #74

Yeah from what I've seen, the claims about babies cut in half or put in ovens are routinely discounted. WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #76

"discounted" Mountainguy May 24 #79

That's not how proof works Buzz cook May 24 #80

. WhiskeyGrinder May 24 #85

I think I replied to the wrong post. Buzz cook May 25 #120

The proof is the eye-witness testimony Mountainguy May 25 #128

Once again. You are making a claim Buzz cook May 25 #131

Burned baby Mountainguy May 25 #137

Yes two babies were murdered. Buzz cook May 26 #138

Ok.... Mountainguy May 26 #139

Do you read the articles you post? No where in your post Buzz cook May 27 #145

When does claudette May 25 #127

It's been proven no babies were "sliced apart" womanofthehills May 26 #142

The link i posted shows the burned body Mountainguy May 26 #144

But Israel has been visiting violence and hatred on Gaza, since the very beginning of the nakba indusurb May 24 #4

Please read a detailed account Mossfern May 24 #5

He really needs to read it JustAnotherGen May 24 #8

I hope he likes pizza Mossfern May 24 #11

He's still here JustAnotherGen May 24 #19

Perhaps because you called out the wrong "newbie" in your link? AloeVera May 24 #39

You are using another poster (the one at your link) to insinuate that a poster in this thread (indusurb) attacked Biden Celerity May 24 #37

You owe them an apology. They're not the poster you linked to... Violet_Crumble May 24 #108

By the same token... AloeVera May 24 #64

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What are you talking about? From 1948 throgh 1967 it was Egypt that controlled and occupied Gaza. lapucelle May 24 #22

Haaretz: Account From '56 Describes Slaughter and Rape by Israeli Troops in Gaza. Is It True? David__77 May 24 #27

Did you read your link? The "account" is a work of fiction --- a short story. lapucelle May 24 #30

Yes, it discussed Israeli censorship related to its 1956 actions in Gaza. David__77 May 24 #32

Fun fact: the fictitious "account" occurred during the Suez Crisis when Egypt was occupying Gaza. lapucelle May 24 #34

The 1956-57 occupation of the Gaza Strip : Israeli proposals to resettle the Palestinian refugees. David__77 May 24 #35

Did you read the article you linked to? I did. lapucelle May 24 #43

And . . . Richard D May 24 #51

Gaza is Palestine. David__77 May 24 #59

It's history is a lot more complicated than that. Richard D May 24 #70

Isn't it more accurate to name the right wing parties harumph May 24 #13

I think that many include "right wing" in their condemnation. Mossfern May 24 #18

True. harumph May 24 #29

There's nothing wrong with opposing Israel's social system. David__77 May 24 #23

Sure, but don't forget Mossfern May 24 #25

Sure those other ones suck as well. Eko May 24 #86

Israel has a diverse population Mossfern May 24 #87

I'm with you but the post was about Israel. Eko May 24 #88

I wasn't aware that it was restricted Mossfern May 24 #90

Huh. Eko May 24 #100

Fair enough Mossfern May 24 #104

Or if what happens in Israel is from some people in Gaza. You got it. Eko May 24 #109

Not quite the same .... Mossfern May 24 #111

I think its the same, the Mideast, North America. Can I ask what makes it not quite the same? Eko May 24 #112

Cuba is not North America Mossfern May 24 #113

I think it is. Eko May 24 #114

More. Eko May 24 #116

Didn't Israelis elect Netanyahu? NoRethugFriends May 24 #28

Did all Americans elect Trump? Mossfern May 24 #31

I understand that NoRethugFriends May 24 #46

I agree with you Mossfern May 24 #52

Didn't Gazans elect Hamas? Mountainguy May 24 #40

Well yeah, but you knew that was nearly two decades ago. AloeVera May 24 #71

Cool Mountainguy May 24 #75

I'll simplify it for you. AloeVera May 24 #84

Some people want any excuse to hate and attack Jews JI7 May 24 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman May 24 #38

I'll buy that. NNadir May 24 #41

However... Mark.Gray May 24 #44

The buck stops where ? Wherefore art thou ? Where the bucks are Tetrachloride May 24 #48

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Wll, Hello!!! So nice of you to join the conversation. GP6971 May 24 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed May 24 #65

Israel is a democracy AlexSFCA May 24 #55

You can blame the people who voted for him ... Mossfern May 24 #57

the only poll that matter is the one on election day AlexSFCA May 24 #60

So you're fine Mossfern May 24 #62

the country is being defined by him here and abroad AlexSFCA May 24 #63

I know Mossfern May 24 #66

while true - it should be noted that it is EQUALLY true stopdiggin May 24 #56

The United States committed genocide on indigenous peoples. Cuthbert Allgood May 24 #58

People commit atrocities, commit murder, torture, starve, other people. Ping Tung May 24 #67

a different party ruling Israel would not be doing this DBoon May 24 #73

I always name Netanyahu. True Blue American May 24 #77

Post removed Post removed May 24 #89

Why are you posting this on DU. No one Nanjeanne May 24 #93

Au contraire mon frere. I have read comments on this site that are basically a chorus of "From the River to the Sea" Noodleboy13 May 24 #94

Or perhaps you ascribe what you read as pro Hamas in your mind only. Don't expect any responses to your Nanjeanne May 24 #96

+1 Celerity May 25 #122

You mean pro freedom fighter. Lots of those around. nt LexVegas May 24 #97

I think, like America's unconditional support for Israeli funding walkingman May 24 #103

while that might be true... mike_c May 24 #105

Is it -real or -rael GJGCA May 24 #106

When I travel, I'm judged as an American and blamed ecstatic May 24 #119

Sure, because when talking about Israel, it's NEVER "all" of Israel, including civilians, responsible for atrocities maxrandb May 25 #124

The majority of claudette May 25 #126

Yet, you have this: Mossfern May 25 #132

Apparently, a majority of Israelis are opposed to what their government is doing to Gaza. lees1975 May 26 #140