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108. The Palestinians of Gaza are not "Hamas" and do not control what Hamas does.

Thu Nov 23, 2023, 05:34 PM

Nov 2023

However, the innocent civilians of Gaza get to pay the price for what Hamas has done and Hamas could care less that is what is happening. I fail to see and understand, given that, how Israel can feel so justified and self righteous about killing so many Palestinians to get Hamas. Who believes that the people of Gaza thought it was a great idea for Hamas to put tunnels under the hospital and use it for a command center?
Frankly, with what has happened in Gaza over the years, Israel couldn't have done a better job of creating terrorists if they had tried when a population of 2.5 million is kept in abject poverty and having no hope of a better future, trapped between Israel and the sea.

Now let the DU pissing match continue.

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Gaza is a 'textbook genocide'. [View all] RainWalker Nov 2023 OP

The people who need to listen won't bother because what's happening there doesn't bother them. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #1

That simple malaise Nov 2023 #2

Palestine was a thriving economy before 1947 Deuxcents Nov 2023 #27

Very well described & explained. Basic LA Nov 2023 #51

That's an incomplete statement to say thee least. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #66

Well put. The cost of the current setup is rising. David__77 Nov 2023 #96

"apartheid" EX500rider Nov 2023 #118

Sadly I believe you're correct RainWalker Nov 2023 #5

They can't be bothered to care that the brown people onecaliberal Nov 2023 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author edisdead Nov 2023 #38

exactly gopiscrap Nov 2023 #88

Both Israelis and Palestinians are Semites totodeinhere Nov 2023 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2023 #124

+2 Celerity Nov 2023 #22

The people who need to listen should learn what genocide entails first. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #71

I can understand why people don't think it is even if I disagree, but obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #3

Actually, there is no textbook that defines ethnic cleansing in legal terms. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #75

Needs a transcript RandomNumbers Nov 2023 #4

He's talking about Israel's treatment RainWalker Nov 2023 #7

If you are following the conversation in Israel, many have express Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #8

You can justify it any way you want to. But... Duppers Nov 2023 #15

expulsion enid602 Nov 2023 #41

That statement of Carters seems is very clear and correct. David__77 Nov 2023 #50

Wow what a shocking piece of evidence that person created. David__77 Nov 2023 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #10

What about all the innocent non-combatants killed... brush Nov 2023 #12

Regardless of the claudette Nov 2023 #137

This is... 2naSalit Nov 2023 #9

Hamas isn't an ethnic group. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #11

He's talking about RainWalker Nov 2023 #13

Calling for and acting on are two different things. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #14

Genocide isn't possible... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #54

The statements of intent are being made by those in the government Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #105

And Hamas and other terrorist groups totodeinhere Nov 2023 #113

You must not have heard that the Quataris, the US and other... brush Nov 2023 #18

Hamas is the one that want genocide. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #16

Hamas wants it, but Israel is carrying it out. Is that equivalence? Chainfire Nov 2023 #19

You believe it's Israel's intent to completely destroy everyone of Palestinian descent? egduj Nov 2023 #24

No, but it might be Netanyahu's and that's horrible enough uponit7771 Nov 2023 #52

"Might" is an evasive answer along the same lines as "maybe." egduj Nov 2023 #109

Closer to Andrew Jackson than Hitler and that's still horrible uponit7771 Nov 2023 #143

You might want to rephrase your question? AloeVera Nov 2023 #130

I'm not asking anyone to prove intent, just if, in their opinion, if it's Israel (or Netanyahu's) intent to annihilate egduj Nov 2023 #141

Honest debate. AloeVera Nov 2023 #142

The textbook definition of 'genocide' is... wyldwolf Nov 2023 #17

Rec.. TY.. Hamas the Terrorist Org craves "genocide" to Wipe OUT Israel.. fucking Cha Nov 2023 #32

Hey Cha! peggysue2 Nov 2023 #35

Aloha PeggySue! I remember that about Asshole Ghazi Hamad saying HAMAS had NO Cha Nov 2023 #43

That piece of shit is another Hamas scumbag. Piss on that fucking turd. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #121

They Sugarcoated Nov 2023 #46

Sounds like claudette Nov 2023 #138

Based on the definition of the term 'genocide,' wyldwolf Nov 2023 #144

Segal is not a neutral academic. Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #20

You are assuming... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #78

Do you have actual evidence to the contrary? Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #81

I have not parroted any propaganda... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #83

If you aren't sharing your opinion why are you even posting? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #84

Perhaps you misunderstood my response... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #85

"My own thoughts..." Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #98

If you were being honest... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #100

Trying to remember which "genocide" involved the attacking party warning the victims to leave.. EX500rider Nov 2023 #21

Now do settler violence in the West Bank RainWalker Nov 2023 #23

Why, is that pretend "genocide" too? EX500rider Nov 2023 #45

"Pretend genocide"? RainWalker Nov 2023 #69

"There's nothing 'pretend' about genocide" is exacxtly why this agenda-driven talking point is so offensive. lapucelle Nov 2023 #86

See stage 10 RainWalker Nov 2023 #90

No, nothing pretend about real genocide, none in Israel or West Bank or Gaza however EX500rider Nov 2023 #87

It's genocide what's happening RainWalker Nov 2023 #93

Trying to destroy Hamas is not "genocide", it is standard warfare EX500rider Nov 2023 #94

The Palestinians of Gaza are not "Hamas" and do not control what Hamas does. elocs Nov 2023 #108

The Best Construction That Can Be Placed On Their Relation To Hamas The Magistrate Nov 2023 #110

Maybe it's because they know both Hamas and the IDF up close and personal. CincyDem Nov 2023 #128

Innocent civilians pay the price in every war but that does not make it genocide EX500rider Nov 2023 #117

Exactly. Did the Genocidal GD Hamas Warn Israel? Cha Nov 2023 #34

Hamas funded propaganda. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #25

John Kirby on genocide... lapucelle Nov 2023 #26

Rec.. TY Here's some more info on "Throwing the word genocide around".. Cha Nov 2023 #37

+1 sheshe2 Nov 2023 #39

I think the goal is to make civilian life in Gaza impossible. David__77 Nov 2023 #28

It's not TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #29

That was the same argument about the war in Vietnam. David__77 Nov 2023 #30

It's not a matter of opinion TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #31

That's why Israel has been referred to the ICC RainWalker Nov 2023 #33

That chart doesn't reflect how Israel is conducting the war against Hamas, lapucelle Nov 2023 #58

I said I think the goal is to make civilian life in Gaza impossible. David__77 Nov 2023 #36

Yes and I've said from the beginning moniss Nov 2023 #53

I agree. David__77 Nov 2023 #64

To use the word genocide in this context cheapens its meaning. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #40

It also disrespects and dishonors the memory madaboutharry Nov 2023 #42

It's really unfortunate so many on the left are conflating Hamas JCMach1 Nov 2023 #48

Hmmm... Patton French Nov 2023 #44

The Op is not about hamas. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #55

Why Not? The Magistrate Nov 2023 #59

Because... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #61

I Hear The Echoes Of Toddlers Past Here.... The Magistrate Nov 2023 #62

Please stay focused... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #63

I Am, Quite Focused The Magistrate Nov 2023 #72

Well it's true... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #76

Kind of how you have a big blind spot whenever a certain group of terrorists who started all this is mentioned AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #89

This "started" long along ago. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #95

So not only do you not understand the definition of genocide AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #97

Ah, I see... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #99

Or maybe, just maybe you could learn that not everyone on this board AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #102

For some reason... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #104

Thank you for proving my point. Patton French Nov 2023 #126

Glad I could help... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #134

Who said anything about Hamas? RainWalker Nov 2023 #57

Why? The Magistrate Nov 2023 #60

Because my post isn't about Hamas RainWalker Nov 2023 #65

It never is. You just pretend they don't exist EllieBC Nov 2023 #68

Care to prove that assertion? RainWalker Nov 2023 #70

It's not a personal attack. EllieBC Nov 2023 #73

It's a personal attack RainWalker Nov 2023 #77

And, What? The Magistrate Nov 2023 #74

Let's not minimize things RainWalker Nov 2023 #79

This Is Laughable, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2023 #80

That is exactly my point, Patton French Nov 2023 #127

I thought comparing Israelis to Nazis is against the rules here. Mosby Nov 2023 #47

Who said anything about Nazi's? RainWalker Nov 2023 #67

Maybe it is in the long video? David__77 Nov 2023 #82

Hamas and their useful idiots in the West are proving that daily AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #92

Do you not know who committed genocide against the Jews? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #91

What? PBateman70 Nov 2023 #106

You don't see a problem with comparing Israelis to Nazis? Mosby Nov 2023 #112

Not answering your questions in this reply PBateman70 Nov 2023 #114

Your questions PBateman70 Nov 2023 #115

What? PBateman70 Nov 2023 #107

Wanting to quit a discussion board because you can't post antisemitic slurs is telling AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #129

Crazy PBateman70 Nov 2023 #131

Wow PBateman70 Nov 2023 #132

Sea Lions, man AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #133

Good night PBateman70 Nov 2023 #135

No RandySF Nov 2023 #56

We're going to ignore Oct. 7, aren't we? RandySF Nov 2023 #101

Of course, the whole argument collapses when you factor that in NT AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #103

Flattening the place 2 million people live and killing onecaliberal Nov 2023 #116

Yeah, Israel is not ignoring it but there are Cha Nov 2023 #119

No, never ignore it claudette Nov 2023 #140

Complete debunking of Segal's charge of genocide. Mosby Nov 2023 #120

A massacre at worst. A "genocide"? Not even close. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #122

Why are you posting things from a right winger? RainWalker Nov 2023 #123

He writes for a lot of publications like the Times of Israel and Tablet Mosby Nov 2023 #125

Except that claudette Nov 2023 #139

Truly claudette Nov 2023 #136