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YP_Yooper

(291 posts)
18. This is true for an amendment, but opens a dangerous door
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jan 2022

but once called, they are no longer restricted to just proposing an amendment:

The only national constitutional convention ever held — the 1787 assembly in Philadelphia that produced the current Constitution — disregarded its original charge, which was to amend the Articles of Confedera­tion to promote trade among the states. Instead it wrote an entirely new governing document, effectively abolishing the Articles of Confederation and superseding them with a new design of government. A convention held today could set its own agenda, too.

The 1787 convention also completely rewrote the Articles of Confederation’s amendment procedures in a way that made it much easier to secure adoption of the convention’s changes. Under the Articles of Confederation, proposed amend­ments had to be approved by Congress and then ratified by all 13 states to take effect. Rhode Island, which opposed the kinds of changes that the 1787 convention was called to propose, declined to send delegates to the convention, apparently confident that the requirement for unanimous state approval meant it could block any resulting proposals that harmed its interests.

Instead, the other states’ dele­gates bypassed Rhode Island and created a new ratification process that made the new Constitution effective with the consent of only nine states and cut Congress out of the amendment process entirely. Rhode Island opposed the new Constitution and resisted ratifying for several years. Eventually, however, left only with the choice of seceding or going along, it was forced to succumb. The current three-quarters requirement was imposed only for later constitutional amendments.

and from a recent article last month:
But like many provisions in the Constitution, Article V leaves much open to interpretation: Nothing in its 143 words describes the process by which a convention would be run or the delegates who would meet and vote on potential amendments. The founding document’s requirement that any new amendments be ratified by three-quarters of states was a requirement the last constitutional convention ignored.


“Congress can purport to make whatever rules it wants for the convention. The convention can then throw them in the trash, which is certainly what the convention in Philadelphia did in 1787,” said David Super, a constitutional law expert at Georgetown Law. “There’s no guarantee that they will follow the ratification procedures. The only precedent we do have, they didn’t follow the ratification procedures.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584835-conservatives-prepare-new-push-for-constitutional-convention

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Some of us never heard of "Convention of States". BComplex Jan 2022 #1
I didn't know much about it Tickle Jan 2022 #3
"states will govern themselves and impose term limits on the federal government" YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #2
they can't eliminate the constitution Tickle Jan 2022 #4
No, absolutely wrong, and is why it's so dangerous YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #5
next time someone Tickle Jan 2022 #6
Seriously YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #7
Under article V it still takes 3/4 of the states to ratify any such amendment. Angleae Jan 2022 #8
Not for a convention YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #13
You are completely wrong. onenote Jan 2022 #15
Not arguing here at all against what you're saying YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #20
Secession amendment if they convene a convention. roamer65 Jan 2022 #9
The supreme court, in Texas v White, says otherwise. Angleae Jan 2022 #11
The powers that are not specifically stated are reserved for the states via the 10th Amendment. roamer65 Jan 2022 #12
No, it isn't, we had a civil war to decide that question (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jan 2022 #21
We are going to have another. roamer65 Jan 2022 #22
Why are people afraid of a Constitutional convention? former9thward Jan 2022 #10
Read post 5 YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #14
You continue to misstate Article V. onenote Jan 2022 #16
This is true for an amendment, but opens a dangerous door YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #18
That argument proves too much or too little. onenote Jan 2022 #23
We have had only one Constitutional convention. former9thward Jan 2022 #26
Because a Constitutional Covention is everything or nothing Azathoth Jan 2022 #17
That is not true. onenote Jan 2022 #24
And there's no appeal process if you don't like the results. 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2022 #25
"I don't know if this means we can go back to slavery" WarGamer Jan 2022 #19
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