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In reply to the discussion: trump or alike get elected. watch convention under article V [View all]YP_Yooper
(291 posts)18. This is true for an amendment, but opens a dangerous door
but once called, they are no longer restricted to just proposing an amendment:
The only national constitutional convention ever held the 1787 assembly in Philadelphia that produced the current Constitution disregarded its original charge, which was to amend the Articles of Confederation to promote trade among the states. Instead it wrote an entirely new governing document, effectively abolishing the Articles of Confederation and superseding them with a new design of government. A convention held today could set its own agenda, too.
The 1787 convention also completely rewrote the Articles of Confederations amendment procedures in a way that made it much easier to secure adoption of the conventions changes. Under the Articles of Confederation, proposed amendments had to be approved by Congress and then ratified by all 13 states to take effect. Rhode Island, which opposed the kinds of changes that the 1787 convention was called to propose, declined to send delegates to the convention, apparently confident that the requirement for unanimous state approval meant it could block any resulting proposals that harmed its interests.
Instead, the other states delegates bypassed Rhode Island and created a new ratification process that made the new Constitution effective with the consent of only nine states and cut Congress out of the amendment process entirely. Rhode Island opposed the new Constitution and resisted ratifying for several years. Eventually, however, left only with the choice of seceding or going along, it was forced to succumb. The current three-quarters requirement was imposed only for later constitutional amendments.
and from a recent article last month:
But like many provisions in the Constitution, Article V leaves much open to interpretation: Nothing in its 143 words describes the process by which a convention would be run or the delegates who would meet and vote on potential amendments. The founding documents requirement that any new amendments be ratified by three-quarters of states was a requirement the last constitutional convention ignored.
Congress can purport to make whatever rules it wants for the convention. The convention can then throw them in the trash, which is certainly what the convention in Philadelphia did in 1787, said David Super, a constitutional law expert at Georgetown Law. Theres no guarantee that they will follow the ratification procedures. The only precedent we do have, they didnt follow the ratification procedures.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584835-conservatives-prepare-new-push-for-constitutional-convention
The 1787 convention also completely rewrote the Articles of Confederations amendment procedures in a way that made it much easier to secure adoption of the conventions changes. Under the Articles of Confederation, proposed amendments had to be approved by Congress and then ratified by all 13 states to take effect. Rhode Island, which opposed the kinds of changes that the 1787 convention was called to propose, declined to send delegates to the convention, apparently confident that the requirement for unanimous state approval meant it could block any resulting proposals that harmed its interests.
Instead, the other states delegates bypassed Rhode Island and created a new ratification process that made the new Constitution effective with the consent of only nine states and cut Congress out of the amendment process entirely. Rhode Island opposed the new Constitution and resisted ratifying for several years. Eventually, however, left only with the choice of seceding or going along, it was forced to succumb. The current three-quarters requirement was imposed only for later constitutional amendments.
and from a recent article last month:
But like many provisions in the Constitution, Article V leaves much open to interpretation: Nothing in its 143 words describes the process by which a convention would be run or the delegates who would meet and vote on potential amendments. The founding documents requirement that any new amendments be ratified by three-quarters of states was a requirement the last constitutional convention ignored.
Congress can purport to make whatever rules it wants for the convention. The convention can then throw them in the trash, which is certainly what the convention in Philadelphia did in 1787, said David Super, a constitutional law expert at Georgetown Law. Theres no guarantee that they will follow the ratification procedures. The only precedent we do have, they didnt follow the ratification procedures.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584835-conservatives-prepare-new-push-for-constitutional-convention
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