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bucolic_frolic
(52,716 posts)You're leaning to one side, off-center, and what is that thing hanging from the ceiling and what's the textured charcoal wall on the right?
Botany
(75,504 posts)
criminal syndicate in the world with Putin as the Godfather you can add in Epstein, Musk, Tiel, and
others.* Kompromat, blackmail, election interference, money laundering, sex trafficking of girls, women,
men and boys, massive disinformation and misinformation networks
see Russias Storm 15 - 16, (used
to be Internet Research Agency) and News Corp. (Fox), the fossil fuel industries, Bibi N, various middle
east oligarchs, the Russian mob, and all those girls from around the world who got sucked up into
Epstein and Putins sex trafficking network and became victims
. I wonder how many of them died and just disappeared?
No doubt that Trump was a key player in Epstein and Putins child sex trafficking ring with the use
of his planes, flying around on Epsteins plan, visiting Epsteins island, his beauty contests and modeling
try outs, and dog only knows how many millions of dollars that went into that syndicate.
Republicans are blocking the release of the Epstein files because they were no doubt involved into
it. Reports that Musk and Steve Bannon flew on Epsteins plane are out there.
* Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society, rich shits like Ginni Thomas, the Mercers, the owner of
what once used to be my beloved Cleveland Browns (helped to fund J 6th shits), Zuckerberg, and that
guy who has been bribing Clearance Thomas.
PufPuf23
(9,619 posts)So many wealthy and well-connected involved, likely too many.
My thoughts are that Epstein was an influence, blackmail and money laundering operation.
Worry the present attention won't get Trump or other loci and serve as a capstone without a solution.
We have been disappointed so many times but what could and should have been a path away from the darkness.
Botany
(75,504 posts)way to get Kompromat on people and to blackmail them too. If Speaker Johnson did indeed
have a Grindr account Im sure Putin and Musk are well aware of it.
Bluetus
(1,655 posts)OBVIOUSLY Epstein was blackmailing everybody. It is insulting for these media people to act so surprised about this.
What they ought to be doing is asking what role Esptein's BFF played in this extortion ring.
And that is pretty damned obvious as well. Trump frequently boasts "I know the best people".
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=678136261025214
THAT was his role in this thing, or at least one of his roles. Trump's job was to recruit people into Epstein's sex trap.
We also know that the Trump Organization was involved in massive money laundering with Deutsche Bank and Putin's circle. So it is likely that Trump was involved in marketing this Kompromat to the FSB and other organizations, with the payoffs coming in the form of money laundering transactions.
When will the media start asking the obvious and extremely pertinent questions?
They can start by looking at the names that are reportedly on Epstein's client list and ask who would be willing to pay for kompromat on these people and how much would they pay.
PufPuf23
(9,619 posts)Wonder if Trump was lured into the honeypot and then became Epstein's BFF.
Trump and Epstein overlap in activities and proclivities and were of mutual benefit until Epstein hit a snag.
There are many links between Epstein and the war parties of Israel. Starting with Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell and add the individuals that sponsored and employed Epstein in the financial and international sector. The Israel war parties predated Epstein's birth.
Bluetus
(1,655 posts)What we either know factually or can reasonably infer:
* Krasnov (aka Trump) was being recruited and groomed by the KGB as early as 1987.
* Epstein started his operation about that same time, give or take a few years.
* By around 2006, Trump was entirely dependent on Russian money laundering to save his own real estate empire from total collapse. This is about when Eric famously said something to the effect that they didn't need any US banks. They were getting all the money they needed from Russia.
* Epstein started his ascent in NYC. That's where Trump was, and they became almost inseparable. They are both serial sex offenders and they both were especially fond of having sex with underage girls -- i.e. pedophiles. All of the above is not really disputed.
So far, I have not seen evidence of the Russians sending large sums of money to Epstein, but that's undoubtedly the kind of stuff that is in the FBI files. We know for certain that Trump was receiving a lot of money from the Russians during the period when Epstein's operation was at its peak. And it is also reported that Epstein received money transfers approaching a billion dollars.
It seems pretty obvious that Trump and Epstein found each other because they both had ambitions of being big shots in NYC and both liked abusing women, especially young girls. So I don't think anybody had to "lure" Trump. He was attracted to Epstein like a fly to shit.
But the more pertinent question is whether FSB, Mossad or any other international forces took an active role in guiding Epstein, Maxwell, and Trump to scale up their extortion machine. Personally, I think this is EXTREMELY likely. Trump's natural instincts are to collect kompromat for his own purposes, a la Roy Cohn. But it would not be at all surprising to learn that the FSB showed him how kompromat on "the right people" could be much more valuable than Trump had ever conceived. Remember that by this time, the KGB/FSB had been grooming Trump for 20 years and had been funding his businesses for at least a few years. This was a pivotal time for Putin too. By this time, he had consolidated power in the post-Gorbachev era, and now had a firm grip over the Kremlin. Putin was looking to put the USSR back together. It was only a couple of years later that Trump started doing the birther thing, which is a classic KGB tactic to destabilize a population, and it has been a steady stream of this kind of KGB crap from Trump continuously since 2010.
That's a lot of words to say that nobody needed to lure Trump into joining a sex trafficking ring. He loved that stuff and often boasted that he bought the Teen USA pageant so he could ogle naked teenagers. But Trump's Russian handlers would have been VERY interested in having Trump and Epstein take their kompromat operation to the next level.
Bluetus
(1,655 posts)The earliest chickens evolved about 10,000 years ago, as the Red Junglefowl.
The earliest eggs were from the Jurassic period, nearly 200 million years ago.
So the next time somebody asks rhetorically, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" you can answer the rhetorical question with a literal answer and be the hit of the party.