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no_hypocrisy

(52,354 posts)
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 04:11 PM Jul 6

What Happens If/When Trump Gives The Military Illegal Orders?

Glenn Kirschner

In Donald Trump's first term, he said to his Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper, "Can't we just shoot protestors in the legs?" Secretary Esper said his impression was that it was a question AND a suggestion.

With the militarization of the streets of America, first in California, soon coming to Florida, and undoubtedly elsewhere, the follow issue will soon come into full focus: what happens if and when Trump start giving the military illegal orders.

In this Justice Matters One on One interview series, I discuss this topic with retired LTC and career Army JAG Geoffrey DeWeese. Geoff is the legal Director of The Orders Project, which is part of the National Institute of Military Justice, and an expert in the area of lawful versus unlawful military orders, and the duty of military members to disobey patently unlawful military orders.

Here's part one of my two-part interview with Geoff DeWeese.

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Delarage

(2,451 posts)
1. Hopefully there are a lot of Capt. Chaplins out there.....
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 04:16 PM
Jul 6

From The Last Resort TV show---which was apparently way ahead of it's time. Who would have thought it could turn into reality? They were on a sub that was ordered to destroy Pakistan with nukes. They refused and then were hunted by our own government:

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rampartd

(2,214 posts)
3. your first unlawful order is not to behead a 'denaturalized citizen"
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 05:16 PM
Jul 6

and it might be more of a suggestion with a tempting offer attached.

but i think krasnov is more Likely to deploy suspect units and concentrate the loyal.

forget the military : homeland security, unconstrained by the posse comiitatus, is scaling up fir the job with trumpist command and the proud boys and such do not consider liberals to be human.

ancianita

(41,090 posts)
4. The discussion was informative, but nothing in it answers the OP question, because the CiC isn't discussed in
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 05:26 PM
Jul 6

the context of what happens of the CiC, but only in the context of refusing to obey a legal order of a direct superior.

So we still don't know what happens if/when Trump gives the military illegal orders.

To be clear, none of the military are in charge of any of the concentration camps -- that's ALL being done by Noem's Homeland Security and its contractors.

IF it's the military who are flying deportees to other countries, none of that was covered, either.

doc03

(38,150 posts)
7. Wasn't taking command of the California NG and deploying Marines in
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 07:00 PM
Jul 6

LA Illeagal? He also used the military against citizens to have a photo op holding the bible.Bible. He may also have
someone do it for him like Nixon did with Governor Rhodes at Kent State.

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