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2016 Postmortem

mcar

(44,519 posts) Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:36 PM Dec 2016

52

Pierce: We deserve all the answers

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a51476/russian-hacking-answers/

Money quote (among many):

Just for the record, it doesn't matter whether or not Hillary Rodham Clinton would have won without the Russian ratfcking or not. The very existence of the ratfcking is the whole point. And, if you're going to descend from your ivory towers and start talking about American meddling overseas, if you can find me an Iranian, a Chilean, or a Guatemalan who hacked this election, you might have a case. But a Russian oligarch as the vehicle for some sort of karmic justice? Please.

And it has to start soon because El Caudillo del Mar-A-Lago has begun to lose it again, and his spokesbots, especially RNC mouthpiece Sean Spicer, have been reduced to raving bafflegab. This will only get worse because the Clinton camp and the White House both weighed in heavily on the side of the investigation on Monday. This likely will set off the president-elect again. Properly run, investigative committees can be great vehicles for clarity. The available evidence is that the incoming administration treats clarity the way vampires treat daylight.

Well worth a read.

to MADem for showing me how to C&P on my Kindle Fire.

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Pierce: We deserve all the answers (Original Post) mcar Dec 2016 OP

K and R! NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #1

Thanks mcar Dec 2016 #2

We deserve all the answers. We ALL deserve the answers. George II Dec 2016 #3

Yes! mcar Dec 2016 #4

It's time to show us THE MOTHER FCKING TAX RETURNS 11!!! Pluvious Dec 2016 #14

Looks like Pierce's been talking to some of the same people BainsBane Dec 2016 #5

Thanks, mcar, great read. UtahLib Dec 2016 #6

Thank you! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #7

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #8

According to globalist values, we deserve nothing. Nothing. Globalist values are not personal. ancianita Dec 2016 #9

I have no idea what that has to do with this article mcar Dec 2016 #10

Oh well.. Cha Dec 2016 #19

Kicked and rec'd mcar! Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #11

K&R Cary Dec 2016 #12

Thank you, mcar! Haveadream Dec 2016 #13

Glad to read this!! Telling it like it is! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #15

+1!!! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #16

KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #17

Thank you for this, mcar.. and, Good point, Charlie! Cha Dec 2016 #18

Lots of good points in there mcar Dec 2016 #22

You're Welcome Cha Dec 2016 #23

"It has to be either a special committee or a special prosecutor. There's no third alternative." eppur_se_muova Dec 2016 #20

K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #21

I'm not sure we deserve those answers... Orsino Dec 2016 #24

Great article Gothmog Dec 2016 #25

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)

1. K and R!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:03 PM

Dec 2016

mcar

(44,519 posts)

2. Thanks

Reply to NanceGreggs (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:06 PM

Dec 2016

I didn't always agree with Pierce re PBO but he is always thoughtful and so well-written.

George II

(67,782 posts)

3. We deserve all the answers. We ALL deserve the answers.

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:17 PM

Dec 2016

mcar

(44,519 posts)

4. Yes!

Reply to George II (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:23 PM

Dec 2016

Pluvious

(4,988 posts)

14. It's time to show us THE MOTHER FCKING TAX RETURNS 11!!!

Reply to George II (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:36 PM

Dec 2016

#ShowUsTheTaxReturns !

BainsBane

(55,893 posts)

5. Looks like Pierce's been talking to some of the same people

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:25 PM

Dec 2016

We have. Glad to see him make those points.

UtahLib

(3,180 posts)

6. Thanks, mcar, great read.

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:39 PM

Dec 2016

ismnotwasm

(42,637 posts)

7. Thank you!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:43 PM

Dec 2016

So sick of the bullshit, this is very refreshing

ProudProgressiveNow

(6,166 posts)

8. K&R nt

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:47 PM

Dec 2016

ancianita

(40,399 posts)

9. According to globalist values, we deserve nothing. Nothing. Globalist values are not personal.

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:48 PM

Dec 2016

They are about business.

mcar

(44,519 posts)

10. I have no idea what that has to do with this article

Reply to ancianita (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:02 PM

Dec 2016

Cha

(310,183 posts)

19. Oh well..

Reply to mcar (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:20 PM

Dec 2016

lol

Maru Kitteh

(30,115 posts)

11. Kicked and rec'd mcar!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:29 PM

Dec 2016

Cary

(11,746 posts)

12. K&R

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:30 PM

Dec 2016

Haveadream

(1,632 posts)

13. Thank you, mcar!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:32 PM

Dec 2016

Fantastic piece from Esquire and about time, too. Our leaders, elected to serve and protect this country along with the MSM, have a duty to investigate and report the theft of our votes. And those who are ratfucking apologists should make no mistake: this was a crime against the American people far more than any one politician. And, if anyone is worried about "globalists" conspiring to disenfranchise every day Americans, one need look no further than Putin and Trump's oligarchal cabinet.

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)

15. Glad to read this!! Telling it like it is!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:43 PM

Dec 2016

Dustlawyer

(10,524 posts)

16. +1!!!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:51 PM

Dec 2016

Hekate

(97,463 posts)

17. KnR

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:01 PM

Dec 2016

Cha

(310,183 posts)

18. Thank you for this, mcar.. and, Good point, Charlie!

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:19 PM

Dec 2016

"The available evidence is that the incoming administration treats clarity the way vampires treat daylight."

Speaking of Charles Pierce.. a tweet I saw of his the other day..

Charles P. Pierce ‏@CharlesPPierce · Dec 9
I will be ignoring any and all putative "progressive" who is more concerned about the reputation of WikiLeaks than about Russian ratfcking.

https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce

And, to MADem!

mcar

(44,519 posts)

22. Lots of good points in there

Reply to Cha (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 09:26 AM

Dec 2016

Thanks Cha!

Cha

(310,183 posts)

23. You're Welcome

Reply to mcar (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 09:52 AM

Dec 2016

and Thank you!

eppur_se_muova

(38,969 posts)

20. "It has to be either a special committee or a special prosecutor. There's no third alternative."

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:23 PM

Dec 2016

Damned right !

As soon as I read the statement from Senator Turtlelips, I interpreted it as "Pleeeeeeeze let me take care of this. I'll make sure the public never hears about it again."

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)

21. K&R

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:58 PM

Dec 2016

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

24. I'm not sure we deserve those answers...

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 10:07 AM

Dec 2016

...but we sure as hell need them.

Gothmog

(162,434 posts)

25. Great article

Reply to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:49 PM

Dec 2016

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