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MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
Mon May 11, 2026, 12:01 AM Yesterday

I've always gotten along with my friends' boyfriends and husbands

They were nice men and I genuinely liked them. My best friend's current boyfriend is the scum of the earth and that's the nicest thing I can say about him. He's a career criminal who has been in and out of prison his entire adult life. He's currently out on bond, which she paid for. He went from a jail cell to a beautiful home where he eats her food, drives her car and the only pot he has to piss in is hers. I met him once and that was one time too many. If I saw him walking toward me, I'd cross the street to avoid passing him on the sidewalk. That's how scary-looking he is. I have no idea what she sees in him. She's always been intelligent, independent and responsible; now she's none of those things. I think he tries to control every aspect of her life and I just don't get it. Did I mention he's also 15 years younger than she is? I think he's using her and taking advantage of her generous nature and this whole thing is not going to end well.

I'm not the only one who feels this way. Other people are worried about her too. I tried to talk to her about it once, but she just dismissed everything I had to say. I haven't brought it up again because I don't want to be a nag about it. I'm also afraid it would push her closer to him.

She lives about three hours away from me. Since he's been around, she doesn't communicate with me as much as she used to. The only time we ever talk on the phone is if she's in the car coming down here to visit her family. Her texts are few and far between (although I text her all the time) and it's usually late at night when I assume he's sleeping.

In the beginning, I was worried and scared for her. I still feel that way for the most part but a few times lately I've been really mad about it. I mean, seriously pissed. It's like she doesn't care about anybody or anything else in the world except him. We have 60 years behind us. 6-0. That's a lifetime and now I feel like I don't even know her. I'm also afraid I'm losing her and there's nothing I can do about it. It's breaking my heart.

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I've always gotten along with my friends' boyfriends and husbands (Original Post) MIButterfly Yesterday OP
I think that some people just react to flattery, and as we get older, who knows? usonian Yesterday #1
I had to part ways NJCher Yesterday #2
Sounds dangerous. I wish the best for her. live love laugh Yesterday #3
Thank you, live laugh love MIButterfly 21 hrs ago #13
may I ask, how did these two meet? Skittles Yesterday #4
This is the most unbelievable part to me MIButterfly 22 hrs ago #9
scary Skittles 21 hrs ago #14
Sadly, her son passed away last year. He was only 37 MIButterfly 20 hrs ago #15
oh my Skittles 19 hrs ago #16
It's the age difference Figarosmom 23 hrs ago #5
I don't know what she's enamored wirh MIButterfly 22 hrs ago #10
yup. i had a brief fling w a much younger guy. mopinko 18 hrs ago #17
Sorry to hear that. Haggard Celine 23 hrs ago #6
Tell her how YOU feel... BurnDoubt 22 hrs ago #8
I have told her how I feel and I only talked about him one time MIButterfly 22 hrs ago #11
When she has her Epiphany... BurnDoubt 10 hrs ago #21
Thank you so much, BurnDoubt MIButterfly 9 hrs ago #25
Sorry to hear what this is putting you through, MIButterfly. calimary 22 hrs ago #7
Thank you for your kind words, calimary MIButterfly 22 hrs ago #12
some girls just like bad boys rampartd 14 hrs ago #18
I've always wondered about that. It never made any kind of sense to me MIButterfly 13 hrs ago #19
on the back of every harley is a woman who thought she could change him. rampartd 13 hrs ago #20
And a jacket that sez: BurnDoubt 9 hrs ago #22
for evolutionary reasons, i guess rampartd 9 hrs ago #23
How about THAT! BurnDoubt 9 hrs ago #24

usonian

(26,470 posts)
1. I think that some people just react to flattery, and as we get older, who knows?
Mon May 11, 2026, 12:45 AM
Yesterday

I don't have that problem.

So I won't say more, especially if money is involved, and when isn't it?

NJCher

(43,453 posts)
2. I had to part ways
Mon May 11, 2026, 12:59 AM
Yesterday

With a friend over a somewhat similar situation. Nowhere near as bad as this. My friend is super talented, creative, intelligent, and witty. She would choose ordinary men and I couldn’t stand it.

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
13. Thank you, live laugh love
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:53 AM
21 hrs ago

l feel like all I can do is wait for her to come to her senses, which I don't see happening any time soon.

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
9. This is the most unbelievable part to me
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:11 AM
22 hrs ago

Her son's father was in jail (that's a whole other story) and for some reason, he asked this guy to be some kind of liaison between him and my friend. So she started talking to this loser on the phone and the next thing I know, she's bailing him out of jail and moving him into her house! And if that doesn't beat all, I don't know what does!

Yikes!

Skittles

(172,702 posts)
14. scary
Mon May 11, 2026, 04:31 AM
21 hrs ago

not a lot of rational thinking going on, for sure

how old is her son, and does he know about this?

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
15. Sadly, her son passed away last year. He was only 37
Mon May 11, 2026, 05:07 AM
20 hrs ago

She started seeing the felon in 2024 and her son had met him. I don’t know if he knew the story of how they met, though. His father may have told him; I don't know. She doesn't tell me anything anymore. It's like pulling teeth to get her to respond to a text and she hardly says anything when she does.

Skittles

(172,702 posts)
16. oh my
Mon May 11, 2026, 06:06 AM
19 hrs ago

sounds like her life has become a bit of a trainwreck

all I can say is don't give up on her, even if it's just the occasional text.......I feel for you, very difficult situation indeed

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
10. I don't know what she's enamored wirh
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:17 AM
22 hrs ago

because I can't see anything even remotely attractive about him. I used to see men that looked like him in store parking lots and wonder what woman on God's green earth would be attracted to someone like that. I now have my answer.

mopinko

(73,881 posts)
17. yup. i had a brief fling w a much younger guy.
Mon May 11, 2026, 06:59 AM
18 hrs ago

it’s intoxicating. let him get away w crap i never wd have when i was younger. (nothing terrible.)
it didnt last long, but i’m lonelier now than i was b4 him.
it’s easy to feel like you’re never gonna find love again when you’re in your 70’s. esp if health shit leaves u isolated.

Haggard Celine

(17,908 posts)
6. Sorry to hear that.
Mon May 11, 2026, 02:35 AM
23 hrs ago

It hurts to lose a friend, especially when you get older and friends start dying on you. i would hate to be in your situation, because I would probably tell her off for being stupid, and that would probably make her stop talking to you altogether. In some ways, though, it would probably make you feel better to say what you really feel. Tell her she'd better watch her money, because that's what that piece of shit is after.

BurnDoubt

(1,871 posts)
8. Tell her how YOU feel...
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:04 AM
22 hrs ago

And make sure she knows how you feel about HER, and that you’re here when she needs you. Talking about HIM is sure to alienate her.
Leave the door open for her and let her know she’s always Welcome.
Easy for me to say, but that seems to be the only way to navigate this.
You’re a good friend and that’s what she needs to know.

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
11. I have told her how I feel and I only talked about him one time
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:27 AM
22 hrs ago

and I never brought him up again. I've tried to make it clear to her that what I say to her is out of love and concern for her. I've told her more than once that I'm always here for her no matter what. But I may as well stand in front of a mirror and say it to myself. No matter what I say or how I try to word it, she takes offense and gets defensive.

BurnDoubt

(1,871 posts)
21. When she has her Epiphany...
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:52 PM
10 hrs ago

You’ll still be there.
I’m hoping for you both that it happens.
I’m sending the whole package: Faith, Hope, and Love.
And a Hug for a great Friend.

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
25. Thank you so much, BurnDoubt
Mon May 11, 2026, 04:28 PM
9 hrs ago

You're very kind. We're actually fighting right now. We've rarely fought over the years. The last big fight we got into was 10 years ago and it was about tipping the maid at a hotel. We were leaving and I asked her for the key so I could go back to the room and leave a tip and she yelled at me that you don't tip for only one night. Well, things got heated and there were some old ladies watching and listening and I ended up screaming "you're all a bunch of f-ing cheapskates" and then I stormed out and cried all the way home.

But I did tip the maid.

calimary

(90,654 posts)
7. Sorry to hear what this is putting you through, MIButterfly.
Mon May 11, 2026, 02:56 AM
22 hrs ago

If nothing else, you can ALWAYS post about it here, and/or try to work through it here. I’m rock-solid certain you’ll find MANY fellow travelers who can sympathize AND empathize with you. There’s A LOT of hard-won wisdom available here from which you can learn and take comfort. And it’s always freely given, with love and care.

Here’s a hug! ((((( * )))))

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
12. Thank you for your kind words, calimary
Mon May 11, 2026, 03:36 AM
22 hrs ago

Right now, there have been texts flying back and forth because no matter what I say or how kindly I try to say it, she takes offense to it. I don’t know what to say. I don't want to say anything that I'll regret because right now I'm seriously pissed off about the whole situation and it's taking every ounce of self-control I have within me not to scream at her "WTF is wrong with you?"

rampartd

(4,952 posts)
18. some girls just like bad boys
Mon May 11, 2026, 10:58 AM
14 hrs ago

my first wife left me for a harley.

One of the most disturbing examples is the fan culture surrounding serial killers like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez who are still beyond all avenues of love and admiration. While their crimes were dreadful, both received fan mail during their trials; the Ramirez, famously known as "The Night Stalker," even married a fan while imprisoned. Social media has amplified this phenomenon, where online platforms such as Tumblr and TikTok harbor communities that romanticize serial killers. Such spaces glorify criminals; at times, they have an antihero status.

https://reflections.live/articles/19941/the-dark-appeal-why-serial-killers-fascinate-us-article-by-akanksha-dube-18330-m32pl83l.html

MIButterfly

(3,119 posts)
19. I've always wondered about that. It never made any kind of sense to me
Mon May 11, 2026, 12:25 PM
13 hrs ago

that these criminals get letters from women professing their undying love for them, sending them money, etc. And not just male prisoners, notorious female prisoners get mail from lovelorn men, too.

Back in my teens, I Ioved writing letters and I loved receiving them even more. This was way before the internet. I had over a dozen pen pals. When I moved back to Michigan from Tennessee in my late 20s, I wanted to get back into writing letters again. In those days, Rolling Stone had addresses of prisoners in the back of each issue and I thought who better to write to than these guys who have nothing better to do than write letters? So I wrote to a few of them and every single one of them wrote back that they couldn't wait to meet me when they got out and I was HORRIFIED! Holy shit. I never wanted to meet any of them; I just wanted to write letters! So I stopped doing that immediately and kicked myself for being so stupid.

rampartd

(4,952 posts)
20. on the back of every harley is a woman who thought she could change him.
Mon May 11, 2026, 12:32 PM
13 hrs ago

And she is plenty bruised up and slapped around.

rampartd

(4,952 posts)
23. for evolutionary reasons, i guess
Mon May 11, 2026, 04:00 PM
9 hrs ago

somewhere in the genealogy/dna of every european american there are hordes of barbarian rapists.

BurnDoubt

(1,871 posts)
24. How about THAT!
Mon May 11, 2026, 04:07 PM
9 hrs ago

I’m on holiday in the UK, visiting the sites of my forebears’ rape and pillaging.
And musing over the Panic over “polluting our bloodlines”.
Like Tiedrich sez: “The Stupid… It Burns”

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