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Related: About this forumJustice Clarence Thomas says legal precedents are not 'the gospel'
Justice Clarence Thomas says legal precedents are not 'the gospel'
The conservative justice wants to overturn cases wrongly decided in his view.
By Devin Dwyer
September 26, 2025, 11:57 AM ET
4 min read
Justice Clarence Thomas said the Supreme Court should take a more critical approach to settled precedent, saying decided cases are not "the gospel" and suggesting some may have been based on "something somebody dreamt up and others went along with." Thomas made the comments during a rare public appearance Thursday evening at Catholic University's Columbus School of Law in Washington, D.C., just over a week before the high court starts a new term that includes challenges to several major, longstanding decisions.
The Court is poised to revisit Humphrey's Executor v U.S. a 90-year precedent that limits a president's ability to remove members of some independent federal agencies without cause. The justices will also consider whether to overturn Thornburg v Gingles, a landmark 1986 decision governing the use of race in redistricting under the Voting Rights Act.

Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas, left, talks with Professor Jennifer Mascott, right, an affiliated fellow of the Center for the Constitution and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition, at The Catholic University of America's Columbus School of Law, Sept. 25, 2025, in Washington, D.C.
Rod Lamkey/AP
For the first time, the Court is also considering a petition for writ of certiorari asking them to explicitly revisit and overturn the 2015 decision in Obergefell v Hodges, which extended marriage rights to same-sex couples. "At some point we need to think about what we're doing with stare decisis," Thomas said Thursday, referring to the legal principle of abiding by previous decisions. "And it's not some sort of talismanic deal where you can just say 'stare decisis' and not think, turn off the brain, right?"
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Thomas has long been an outspoken advocate for revisiting some of the Court's significant landmark opinions. In a 2022 concurring opinion in Dobbs v Jackson Women's Health which overturned Roe v Wade Thomas urged his colleagues to "reconsider all of this Courts substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell cases involving rights to contraception, same-sex intimacy, and marriage.
The conservative justice wants to overturn cases wrongly decided in his view.
By Devin Dwyer
September 26, 2025, 11:57 AM ET
4 min read
Justice Clarence Thomas said the Supreme Court should take a more critical approach to settled precedent, saying decided cases are not "the gospel" and suggesting some may have been based on "something somebody dreamt up and others went along with." Thomas made the comments during a rare public appearance Thursday evening at Catholic University's Columbus School of Law in Washington, D.C., just over a week before the high court starts a new term that includes challenges to several major, longstanding decisions.
The Court is poised to revisit Humphrey's Executor v U.S. a 90-year precedent that limits a president's ability to remove members of some independent federal agencies without cause. The justices will also consider whether to overturn Thornburg v Gingles, a landmark 1986 decision governing the use of race in redistricting under the Voting Rights Act.

Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas, left, talks with Professor Jennifer Mascott, right, an affiliated fellow of the Center for the Constitution and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition, at The Catholic University of America's Columbus School of Law, Sept. 25, 2025, in Washington, D.C.
Rod Lamkey/AP
For the first time, the Court is also considering a petition for writ of certiorari asking them to explicitly revisit and overturn the 2015 decision in Obergefell v Hodges, which extended marriage rights to same-sex couples. "At some point we need to think about what we're doing with stare decisis," Thomas said Thursday, referring to the legal principle of abiding by previous decisions. "And it's not some sort of talismanic deal where you can just say 'stare decisis' and not think, turn off the brain, right?"
{snip}
Thomas has long been an outspoken advocate for revisiting some of the Court's significant landmark opinions. In a 2022 concurring opinion in Dobbs v Jackson Women's Health which overturned Roe v Wade Thomas urged his colleagues to "reconsider all of this Courts substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell cases involving rights to contraception, same-sex intimacy, and marriage.
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Justice Clarence Thomas says legal precedents are not 'the gospel' (Original Post)
mahatmakanejeeves
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BootinUp
(50,471 posts)1. No respect for the institution.
Lovie777
(20,476 posts)2. UGH................
WestMichRad
(2,652 posts)3. "Something somebody dreamt up and others went along with"
Well he would know a lot about that, eh?
By disrespecting precedent rulings, hes also prefacing that they can (and quite possibly will) reverse their rulings if a Democratic president takes office.
cloudbase
(6,072 posts)5. Say, perhaps, the originalist doctrine.
If the shoe fits, Clarence.
dlk
(12,968 posts)4. But anything that comes out of his mouth is gospel?
Someone is confused about the difference between interpreting the law and a sermon.
CentralMass
(16,540 posts)6. The corrupt SOB says what ?
ImNotGod
(1,146 posts)7. So long john silver thinks all laws can be ignored at our choosing, fascism is about to lose its gated security. nt
Sneederbunk
(16,832 posts)8. TSF is the gospel.

mahatmakanejeeves
(66,850 posts)9. More about the event:
CLARENCE THOMAS DISCUSSES ORIGINALISM AND CATHOLICISM IN CUA LAW EVENT
written by Kate Scanlon 2 days ago
WASHINGTON (OSV News) U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas discussed topics including originalism and his own Catholic faith during remarks Sept. 25 at The Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law.
In remarks about the concept of stare decisis, or the legal doctrine where courts must follow precedent, Thomas said courts should respect precedent, adding, Precedent should be respectful of our legal tradition and our country and our laws, and be based on something, not just something somebody wrapped up and others went along with.
When the high court issued its 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Womens Health Organization, Thomas sparked controversy by arguing in a concurring opinion that the high court should reconsider all of this Courts substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell, landmark cases over contraception, same-sex relationships and marriage.
In his remarks, Thomas cited the example of Plessy v. Ferguson, a case that upheld segregation laws, which was later overturned by Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, as an example of a case where precedent alone would not have resulted in a constitutional outcome.
Thomas cited a legal joke about stare decisis, You apply it rigorously when you want to overrule a prior precedent that you dont like, but loosely when its one of yours. I cant remember which book thats in, he said, but I dont think that that is acceptable, right?
The event, hosted by the schools Center for the Constitution and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition, was moderated by Jennifer Mascott, an affiliated fellow of CIT who is currently on leave from the school as senior counsel to the president in the White House Counsels Office and has been nominated for a seat on the Third Circuit.
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written by Kate Scanlon 2 days ago
WASHINGTON (OSV News) U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas discussed topics including originalism and his own Catholic faith during remarks Sept. 25 at The Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law.
In remarks about the concept of stare decisis, or the legal doctrine where courts must follow precedent, Thomas said courts should respect precedent, adding, Precedent should be respectful of our legal tradition and our country and our laws, and be based on something, not just something somebody wrapped up and others went along with.
When the high court issued its 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Womens Health Organization, Thomas sparked controversy by arguing in a concurring opinion that the high court should reconsider all of this Courts substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell, landmark cases over contraception, same-sex relationships and marriage.
In his remarks, Thomas cited the example of Plessy v. Ferguson, a case that upheld segregation laws, which was later overturned by Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, as an example of a case where precedent alone would not have resulted in a constitutional outcome.
Thomas cited a legal joke about stare decisis, You apply it rigorously when you want to overrule a prior precedent that you dont like, but loosely when its one of yours. I cant remember which book thats in, he said, but I dont think that that is acceptable, right?
The event, hosted by the schools Center for the Constitution and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition, was moderated by Jennifer Mascott, an affiliated fellow of CIT who is currently on leave from the school as senior counsel to the president in the White House Counsels Office and has been nominated for a seat on the Third Circuit.
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