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hatrack

(63,967 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:17 AM Monday

Climatologist Jolle Gergis On Why Planting Trees And "Net Zero" Accounting Tricks Are Insidious, Feel-Good Bullshit

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Instead of focusing on economic incentives to encourage the rapid phase-out of fossil fuels, climate policies are heavily reliant on feelgood “nature positive” solutions that aim to neutralise carbon emissions by essentially planting trees instead of reducing industrial emissions. While the protection, expansion and rehabilitation of natural carbon sinks like forests and wetlands is an inherently good thing to do, researchers have shown that there is not enough land to meet the global goal of net zero emissions using nature-based solutions alone.

Approximately 1bn hectares – an area larger than the United States of America – is needed to achieve net zero pledges. More than 40% of this land would need to be converted from existing uses like food production to carbon sequestration projects by 2060 at an unprecedented rate. And even if this regenerative utopia could be realised, we know that forests take time to mature and can burn down so cannot be thought of as a quick or permanent carbon storage solution, especially in a rapidly shifting climate. As extreme heat and aridity engulfs more of the planet, these well-intentioned efforts could literally go up in smoke.

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Achieving net zero by 2050 requires carbon dioxide removal (CDR), which currently relies almost exclusively on land-based measures to soak up excess carbon from the atmosphere. Polluters can simply buy carbon credits to offset their emissions and continue on with business as usual. Meanwhile, the energy imbalance caused by the burning of fossil fuels continues to further destabilise the Earth’s climate. Essentially we are adding more carbon debt to our planetary credit card, leaving future generations with an unpayable liability.

To limit the magnitude and the duration of overshoot of the Paris Agreement temperature goals, ultimately the world needs to go well beyond the neutralising effect of net zero and begin to drawdown cumulative historical emissions to achieve “net negative emissions”. According to the Global Carbon Project’s latest numbers, vegetation-based CDR is currently absorbing the equivalent of about 5% of annual fossil carbon dioxide emissions, while technology-based CDR accounts for only about one-millionth of the CO2 emitted from fossil fuels. More generous industry estimates sit around 0.1% of total global emissions. At the risk of sounding like a heretic, the political distortion of net zero is an insidious loophole that distracts from the scientific imperative to eliminate the primary cause of our overheating planet – fossil fuels.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/07/net-zero-distracts-from-scientific-imperative-to-eliminate-fossil-fuels-cop30

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Climatologist Jolle Gergis On Why Planting Trees And "Net Zero" Accounting Tricks Are Insidious, Feel-Good Bullshit (Original Post) hatrack Monday OP
"Focusing on economic incentives..." is also bullshit. hunter Monday #1
... jfz9580m 21 hrs ago #2

hunter

(40,181 posts)
1. "Focusing on economic incentives..." is also bullshit.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:21 AM
Monday

The only way we will quit fossil fuels is to ban them.

I don't know how bad things will have to get before we do that.

It's possible things will get so bad that billions of people die because of global warming, civilization will collapse, and fossil fuels will become largely inaccessible to whatever remains of the human species.

jfz9580m

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Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:13 PM
21 hrs ago

Yeah I am not sure about some of this framing. While I agree with hatrack about feelgood bs, some of the language from Joelle Gergis and in that article reproduces a style of neoliberal bs I never liked (especially from the sleazy Breakthrough Institute types).

Approximately 1bn hectares – an area larger than the United States of America – is needed to achieve net zero pledges. More than 40% of this land would need to be converted from existing uses like food production to carbon sequestration projects by 2060 at an unprecedented rate. And even if this regenerative utopia could be realised, we know that forests take time to mature and can burn down so cannot be thought of as a quick or permanent carbon storage solution, especially in a rapidly shifting climate. As extreme heat and aridity engulfs more of the planet, these well-intentioned efforts could literally go up in smoke.


It is getting called out more lately. I have noted a change in environmental writing lately which is very welcome to me: It occurred as the sort of left represented by Chris Ketcham, Nandita Bajaj, Nathan Robinson, Samuel Miller MacDonald, Alex Skopic, Maria Bolotnikova and other Current Affairs writers took over from both neoliberal “green” growth types and new-agers (who seem to be going Maha and RFK Jr - no big loss).

I like this newer crew which is earthily pragmatic and wise to the Breakthrough types while also not being wacky like those morons RFK jr, Naomi Wolf etc. I never cared for even before they went Trump.

I am not bright enough myself to reason and articulate as well as those people I listed, but when they pinpoint something that is off, I get it. I used to read some of the claptrap they attack with dour suspicion myself, but not be able to quite put my finger on it on it.
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