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Related: About this forumAmerica's 2.2 Billion Dollar "Greatest Energy Disaster (?)" to Be "Left to Rot" After a Decade of Operations.
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The article is not well written, since solar thermal focusing mirrors are not really "solar panels" and the reality is that "America's Greatest Energy Failure", by far, is the use of fossil fuels after the successful and exceedingly stupid rise of antinuke cults in this country, but here it is a link to the article about closing the Ivanpah Solar Thermal in flight bird roaster. Despite the poor writing, the facts of the case are real.
This piece of shit was, like all so called "renewable energy," always dependent on fossil fuels to operate, in its case, dangerous natural gas, on which all of the so called "renewable energy" stuff in California depends.
2,000,000 solar panels left to rot Americas greatest energy failure exposed
The reason solar panels are not trending in 2025
Some farms struggle to meet production targets, others face technical glitches, or weather changes. On the other hand, there is also the need for a renewable source of energy in areas where the sun is not that strong, but wind or water is. What once seemed to be an unstoppable energy revolution has exposed cracks in planning, long-term sustainability, and now execution.
In one of the U.S. sunniest deserts, a high-profile solar panel project is facing a turning point. Despite the early promises, there were limitations on a large-scale installation on site, and for this reason, the companys plans are changing drastically, pushing the industry into a new frontier.
After over a decade, the worlds biggest solar plant is about to close
The Ivanpah Solar Power Plant, once the largest facility of its kind in the world, could close more than a decade ahead of schedule. The plant has struggled to compete with newer, cheaper solar technologies and has been criticized for harming local wildlife.
Opened in 2014, the $2.2 billion solar panel facility covers five square miles in the Mojave Desert along the California-Nevada border. It uses concentrated solar power, focusing sunlight with thousands of mirrors onto towers to produce steam-driven electricity. Industry changes have made other renewable sources more cost-effective. Utilities say that ending their contracts with Ivanpah could lower energy costs for consumers...
The conceit of the the so called "renewable energy" scam is that deserts are "waste land," useless. As an environmentalist, I reject this claim by industrial energy developers. The deserts of the American Southwest were once vibrant ecosystems, their raw beauty - now trashed by this kind of industrial shit - magnificent. Well I remember my heart beating on seeing my first desert sunrise among the Joshua Trees -- now being chainsawed for a "green" solar industrial plant - as a young man.
Scientific research in this country is under attack and will be decimated by the orange pedophile in the White House, but, this outcome will indirectly affect an important area of research as well. Recently in this space, an antinuke, whose rhetoric and knowledge of energy strikes me as a poor affectation, claimed to understand thermal hydrogen cycles, water splitting using heat, to know all about them. As someone who's been downloading papers on this topic for decades - industrial nowhere but apparently being piloted in China - I am unimpressed.
In my directories, papers on thermal water splitting appear in two sub directories of my E&E files:
D:documents/s/E&E/Non-Bio Renewables/solar/solar thermal schemes/Hydrogen
...and...
D:documents/s/E&E/Nucl/Nuclear/ Hydrogen, a far more extensive (as it's actually serious, not pie in the sky) directory:

...with other subdirectories related to specific process steps (for instance the Bunsen reaction in the SI cycle) within.
To get grants to do work on hydrogen cycles, many academics need to impress the granting agency. The unfortunate reality is that it is a widely believed and regrettably accepted myth that solar energy is "green," and nuclear energy (which actually is the most environmentally sustainable form of energy known to humanity) is not "green." Thus if one wants a grant to study thermal hydrogen cycles, one might pretend (or even believe) that they are applicable to solar energy. Many such grants have been awarded, and many papers about solar thermal hydrogen have been published. While solar thermal energy itself is useless, like the rest of so called "renewable energy" if the goal is to replace fossil fuels - it isn't, it's purpose is to attack nuclear energy - the hydrogen cycle papers written under grants for solar thermal systems are not useless. Some of them are well worth reading.
The failure of the Ivanpah in flight bird fryer will have a chilling effect on funding research to generate these papers, something I regard as a shame.
Have a nice weekend.

hunter
(39,810 posts)I say "resembling it's natural state" because restoring the land to what it was before this crap was built is impossible.
Unfortunately they will probably replace it with photovoltaic crap, which will only increase the ultimate environmental footprint of this boondoggle.
NNadir
(36,410 posts)...the glare will be reduced. I understood this was a problem with the set up for pilots.
I would imagine it would take a rather large amount of money to haul that crap out of there.
If they haul the debris away, and replace it with PV solar, in 25 years they'll have a new source of stuff left to rot.