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Tonk

(66 posts)
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 06:21 AM Wednesday

Future planetary warming this century will be worse than previously thought.

From CICERO:

Increases in greenhouse gases, especially CO₂, causes the Earth to warm. Although the physics of global warming is well understood, scientists have been uncertain about exactly how much warming to expect from increases in CO₂ and other greenhouse gases. The largest source of this uncertainty is how clouds will respond as the climate warms - clouds are complex and can respond to a warming in complex ways which likely amplify the warming caused by greenhouse gases, but by an uncertain amount.

In a stable climate, the Earth emits as much energy into space as it receives from the sun. However, as greenhouse gas concentration increases, this balance is changing. Satellite measurements since 2001 clearly show significant changes in both solar radiation absorbed by the Earth and the outgoing thermal radiation from Earth. Climate models are an important tool for understanding how the atmosphere including clouds, respond to the warming from greenhouse gases. The latest generation of climate models still have a relatively large range in the amount of global warming we can expect from the same increase in greenhouse gas concentration.

A new study led by CICERO Center for International Climate Research, with co-authors from NASA Langley Research Center and Priestley Centre for Climate Futures (University of Leeds), shows that climate models that give a low warming from increases in greenhouse gases do not match satellite measurements. This means that models with a stronger warming response to greenhouse gas increases are more realistic. In the paper now published in Science, the authors highlighted that this in turn will increase estimates of global warming this century if the world continues along its current emission trajectory. Future warming will likely be worse than thought unless society acts. 


Seems important:

All ('IPCC') CMIP6 models are completely unable to reproduce what NASA satellites observed!

The rate of global warming (starting with Earth's Energy Imbalance and now surface air temperature) has more than doubled!

Leon Simons (@leonsimons.bsky.social) 2025-06-17T12:04:17.582Z
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Future planetary warming this century will be worse than previously thought. (Original Post) Tonk Wednesday OP
I keep saying that their worse case scenario... S/V Loner Wednesday #1
All the models have been low. Old Crank Wednesday #2
We need to ratify the UN High Seas Treaty nuxvomica Wednesday #3
ty for the 411 et tu Wednesday #4
Mosses are the largest land repository for carbon on the planet. Bumbles Wednesday #5
What a great idea BonnieJW Wednesday #7
I'm gradually turning my mostly wooded property into moss landscapes. Bumbles Wednesday #8
To the best of my recollection, it has always been worse than previously thought. nt Susan Calvin Wednesday #6
"Reality has entered the chat . . . " hatrack Wednesday #9

S/V Loner

(9,362 posts)
1. I keep saying that their worse case scenario...
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:24 AM
Wednesday

is going to be our best case scenario. I think we are going to see the “Butterfly Effect” in spades and a lot sooner than they think.

Old Crank

(5,815 posts)
2. All the models have been low.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:47 AM
Wednesday

One reason is that scientists want to stay conservative so that people don't call them nuts. (Hint, they already do).

They don't want to be Al Gored about no ice caps already....

This reminds me of an election about school funding in Las Vegas years ago. The Person presenting the arguement in favor of a bond for a large number of new schools was asked, why so many new schools. Can't you be conservative with your estimate. The answer was it is a conservative estimate. (Which turned out to be true and they needed even more schools.)

nuxvomica

(13,398 posts)
3. We need to ratify the UN High Seas Treaty
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 08:13 AM
Wednesday

The treaty seeks to protect 30% of the ocean by 2030. If you watch David Attenborough's Ocean documentary, he details how areas currently protected, about 1%, have recovered surprisingly fast. Because the ocean is a huge converter of CO2 to oxygen, the treaty may be our greatest hope for combating climate change. The US has signed it but not yet ratified. I urge everyone to watch the documentary, which is available on Hulu and Disney+, as it makes a strong argument against the notion that we are already too late.

Bumbles

(394 posts)
5. Mosses are the largest land repository for carbon on the planet.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 08:51 AM
Wednesday

Choose moss landscapes over turf lawns and help to reverse the damage we have and are causing. Mosses require no mowing, no use of fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides, and need little watering and maintenance. They provide mental and physical health benefits and are a delight to walk on. As a nation, we're obsessed with lawns. Why not mosses?

Bumbles

(394 posts)
8. I'm gradually turning my mostly wooded property into moss landscapes.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 09:32 AM
Wednesday

It's fun and I feel as though I'm making a contribution towards stopping the destruction. I'm so passionate about it that I started a new business, Mainely Moss Gardens, and at 82 will work to spread knowledge about these amazing plants.

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