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highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 12:09 AM Tuesday

Oasis borrowed from T.Rex's Get It On for Cigarettes & Alcohol, but rocked much harder. Earthshakingly harder.

Video comparing the start of both studio tracks:




Cigarettes & Alcohol was the 4th single from their first album in 1994, then the fastest-selling debut in UK history:




And this banger still gets the greatest response from their fans, shaking stadiums, and noticeable at a distance - as it was in Edinburgh several weeks ago.

https://www.aol.co.uk/entertainment/oasis-gig-murrayfield-more-ground-121950810.html

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/news/oasis-revealed-as-scottish-capitals-most-seismic-concert/



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Oasis borrowed from T.Rex's Get It On for Cigarettes & Alcohol, but rocked much harder. Earthshakingly harder. (Original Post) highplainsdem Tuesday OP
I'm reposting the OP above after mistakenly posting it in GD first. highplainsdem Tuesday #1
Reply posted in GD by johnp3907: 1. Marc Bolan cast a big big shadow! highplainsdem Tuesday #2
Reply posted in GD by flvegan: 2. Score one for Oasis! highplainsdem Tuesday #3
Funny that they called it BritPop speak easy Tuesday #4
The term was first used before Oasis had that huge instant success. It never really fit them. highplainsdem Tuesday #5
Ahem ... speak easy Tuesday #7
The Beatles, Sex Pistols and Stone Roses are the bands they mention most. But you're right that glam rock, highplainsdem Tuesday #8
Ditching the glam costumes speak easy Tuesday #9
Considering that Liam's standard uniform is a parka, baggy jeans and athletic shoes, I don't think he'd've highplainsdem Tuesday #10
I can see Liam doing glam. speak easy 19 hrs ago #15
Nope. That's a colorful parka, and Liam and Noel both own a lot of colorful as well as fairly drab parkas. highplainsdem 17 hrs ago #16
I think we are talking at cross purposes, speak easy 17 hrs ago #17
Okay. I didn't realize you were talking about what Liam might've done if he'd been born 20 years earlier highplainsdem 16 hrs ago #18
Rod Stewart? Working class / Football fanatic. speak easy 15 hrs ago #19
Liked his music, thought the glam costumes were ridiculous. No matter who wore them. highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #20
You can't copyright a rhythm sequence speak easy Tuesday #6
Something in that live clip I don't understand... LudwigPastorius Tuesday #11
That's the Poznan, which was started by a Polish football (soccer) team and adopted by the Manchester highplainsdem Tuesday #12
Thanks! LudwigPastorius Tuesday #14
Oh, and that Polish football team thanked Noel and Liam: highplainsdem Tuesday #13

highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
2. Reply posted in GD by johnp3907: 1. Marc Bolan cast a big big shadow!
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 12:23 AM
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Compare these two:





Also these two:





The reply above was originally at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220685585#post1

highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
5. The term was first used before Oasis had that huge instant success. It never really fit them.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:04 AM
Tuesday

Article about how the term came into use:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stuart-maconie-britpop-anniversary-more-3390694

And from Manchester came the ultimate lads, Oasis, whose version of Britpop was more blokey, less arty and whose first album entered the charts at No?1 and became the fastest selling debut in history.

Guitar music was no longer the realm of the awkward indie kids.

Oasis fans were labourers, office workers, football lads in replica tops, much like the band.

Only three years after playing to a few dozen kids in Manchester, the band were playing to a quarter of a million people at Knebworth in 1996.


Oasis never fit with the others. Their rock lineage was Beatles > Sex Pistols > Stone Roses. It was ludicrous to compare them to Blur.

highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
8. The Beatles, Sex Pistols and Stone Roses are the bands they mention most. But you're right that glam rock,
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:26 AM
Tuesday

both Bowie and Bolan, influenced Oasis. Bowie and Bolan's harder rock music did, anyway - not the costumes and theatre.

speak easy

(12,413 posts)
9. Ditching the glam costumes
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:29 AM
Tuesday

was definitely a improvement. Noel (but I’m not sure about Liam) would not be seen dead in the like.

highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
10. Considering that Liam's standard uniform is a parka, baggy jeans and athletic shoes, I don't think he'd've
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 02:24 PM
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been caught dead in glam costumes, either.

speak easy

(12,413 posts)
15. I can see Liam doing glam.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 02:00 PM
19 hrs ago


A lot of working class kids dressed in shiny colorful over the top costumes, starting with this lot from Liverpool


highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
16. Nope. That's a colorful parka, and Liam and Noel both own a lot of colorful as well as fairly drab parkas.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 03:51 PM
17 hrs ago

Their wardrobes are casual. Sportswear. Some of it very expensive, but still sportswear.

You're talking about a singer who appeared at Glastonbury in 1995 dressed like this





and Wembley in 2000 wearing a denim jacket over a hoodie,




and who's worn a parka for every night of this reunion tour so far.

speak easy

(12,413 posts)
17. I think we are talking at cross purposes,
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 04:10 PM
17 hrs ago

What I meant is if Liam and Noel were climbing out of poverty in the early '70s, I could see Liam wearing Glam. A lot of working class front men were doing that at the time.

highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
18. Okay. I didn't realize you were talking about what Liam might've done if he'd been born 20 years earlier
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 05:20 PM
16 hrs ago

and been influenced by '60s and '70s fashion instead of late '80s Madchester and the Stone Roses.

We'll never know.

But given Noel and Liam's interest in football (soccer) - more of an interest than any glam rock stars I can think of offhand - I'd guess they'd still favor sportswear and be much more likely to wear denim onstage (basic denin, workmanlike, not something tarted up) instead of any glam costume. No way would they dress like Bowie or Bolan.

Can't picture them liking the foppish Edwardian revival clothing some rock groups favored in the late '60s and early '70s, either. Too pretentious.



highplainsdem

(58,457 posts)
20. Liked his music, thought the glam costumes were ridiculous. No matter who wore them.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 06:44 PM
14 hrs ago

And I still think the Gallaghers would have laughed at costumes like that.

speak easy

(12,413 posts)
6. You can't copyright a rhythm sequence
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:07 AM
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The principal riff is all one note, and the next three notes = 12 bar blues.

LudwigPastorius

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11. Something in that live clip I don't understand...
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:08 PM
Tuesday

Why, when the song started, was almost the entire crowd turned with their backs to the stage?

highplainsdem

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12. That's the Poznan, which was started by a Polish football (soccer) team and adopted by the Manchester
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:35 PM
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team supported by Oasis.

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pozna%C5%84

The Poznań or Grecque (the Greek) is a form of sporting celebration that involves supporters standing with their backs to the pitch, linking arms side-by-side and jumping on the spot in unison. It is mostly associated with supporters of football club Lech Poznań in Poland, although it has been performed by fans of many football clubs throughout the world such as Manchester City in England and Charlotte FC in the United States. Its first use is thought to have been as a protest against club management while still supporting the team.

The Poznań celebration involves the fans turning their backs to the pitch, joining arms and jumping up and down in unison.[1] In Poland, and among many fans across Europe, it is not called "the Poznań" but is known as a "Grecque", and it is performed by fans of many teams.[2] Despite initially failing to impress Manchester City fans when it was done during the teams' meeting in the UEFA Europa League group stage on 21 October 2010, it was subsequently adopted by City supporters during a game early the following month.[3] The activity was coined "The Poznań" by Manchester City fans, in homage to the club that inspired them to celebrate in this way. The Poznań was briefly adopted by other English football supporters, notably those of Leicester City after their clash with Manchester City in the third round of the FA Cup in January 2011,[4] and is referred to by English football fans as "doing the Poznań".[5]

Initially, the supporters group of Australian club Western Sydney Wanderers, The Red and Black Bloc, performed it in the 80th minute of matches to represent the first football match played in Western Sydney in 1880. Subsequently, this has grown into an all stadium celebration.[6]

The celebration has also been used at events such as concerts. During Oasis's Live '25 Tour, the band asked fans in attendance to do the Poznań during performances of the song "Cigarettes & Alcohol".[7]


It's a wonder Oasis can get so many of their fans to take their eyes off the stage.

And honestly, there's no real reason to ask them to turn their backs to the stage, if this originated "as a protest against club management while still supporting the team" since they're not protesting Oasis management.

But Liam's been getting most of them to turn around anyway.

The Poznan wasn't adopted in Manchester until after Oasis broke up in 2009, so this tour was their first chance to use it.

But their fans have been pogoing like mad to that song since the '90s. Knebworth, August 11, 1996:

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