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Ptah

(33,995 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:11 PM Apr 2025

Your favorite B&W courtroom drama?

Witness For The Prosecution

Anatomy of A Murder

12 Angry Men

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Your favorite B&W courtroom drama? (Original Post) Ptah Apr 2025 OP
Judgement at Nuremberg Sneederbunk Apr 2025 #1
Same here, Nuremberg some_of_us_are_sane Apr 2025 #15
And Marlene Dietrich. I love her last scene with Tracy where she says "We didn't know." CTyankee Apr 2025 #17
The Life of Emile Zola JoseBalow Apr 2025 #2
All of those three and add Perry Mason, Harrigan and Son, Judd for the Defense, To Kill a Mocking Bird ... marble falls Apr 2025 #3
Not Perry Mason. Too hokey IMHO. I served on real juries and some people on the juries Wonder Why Apr 2025 #4
I've been on juries, too. NOTHING goes according to Hoyle, jurors don't listen to judges, attorneys ... marble falls Apr 2025 #6
What? MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2025 #18
I know but whether it is the prosecution or the defense, that show so distorted the reality Wonder Why May 2025 #21
Love Perry Mason MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2025 #19
Then the strawberries were battleship gray! ... marble falls May 2025 #20
The Defenders Bmoboy Apr 2025 #5
Forgot that one, it was great. marble falls Apr 2025 #7
The 1963 - 1964 ABC series ... Tarzanrock Apr 2025 #8
Never heard of this one. johnp3907 Apr 2025 #10
Oddly, the original "Miracle on 34th Street" madamesilverspurs Apr 2025 #9
12 Angry Men is my favorite. johnp3907 Apr 2025 #11
Those are my two favorites. (nt) Paladin Apr 2025 #14
It's difficult to beat the Perry Mason televison series. Tarzanrock Apr 2025 #12
Perry Mason dai13sy Apr 2025 #13
Inherit the Wind justaprogressive Apr 2025 #16
perry masonary AllaN01Bear May 2025 #22

some_of_us_are_sane

(2,761 posts)
15. Same here, Nuremberg
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:42 AM
Apr 2025

Such great performances by Mongomery Clift, Burt Lancaster and Spencer Tracy. Wow!

CTyankee

(67,790 posts)
17. And Marlene Dietrich. I love her last scene with Tracy where she says "We didn't know."
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 07:41 PM
Apr 2025

It was a damning line. Of course, they KNEW!

It should be required viewing for every high school student who has any kind of 20 century history course.

marble falls

(71,020 posts)
3. All of those three and add Perry Mason, Harrigan and Son, Judd for the Defense, To Kill a Mocking Bird ...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:20 PM
Apr 2025

... Inherit the Wind, Caine Mutiny, Compulsion, Advise and Consent, and a bunch more I can't remember the titles to!

Wonder Why

(6,551 posts)
4. Not Perry Mason. Too hokey IMHO. I served on real juries and some people on the juries
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:30 PM
Apr 2025

expected that the prosecutor would come out with damning evidence that was so clear that the defendant would stand up and say "I did it" just like Perry made them do.

Serious federal cases with juries, not all of which had a brain.

marble falls

(71,020 posts)
6. I've been on juries, too. NOTHING goes according to Hoyle, jurors don't listen to judges, attorneys ...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:45 PM
Apr 2025

... screw up, that's the nature of it, particularly in cases that aren't the sort that are clear cut. I also have a sister and brother who are lawyers. And a sister in law lawyer, too. All the cases I've sat on were criminal, but no murders.

Being on a jury showed me how many cops are there to play the game: convict the defendant no matter what. And how many prosecutors are looking for higher political office. I found this in Illinois (DuPage County) and in Texas (Travis and Burnet Counties). My sister is in Harris County and my brother and sis-in-law are in Travis County.

Wonder Why

(6,551 posts)
21. I know but whether it is the prosecution or the defense, that show so distorted the reality
Thu May 1, 2025, 09:14 AM
May 2025

of the courtroom that many of the juries I served at least one person with had false impression of what goes on in a trial and what it means. I have seen many examples in those cases but I'll use one as an example.

The trial was a couple of years after the crime was supposedly committed. The police officer gave his side and the defendant painted an opposite picture. One was lying but which one. One juror said that the defendant "said he didn't do it" and that was enough for her. Others believed the police office because "they tell the truth". I noted that both the defendant and officer said they were good friends at the time and liked each other. I also noted that the officer wrote a report at the time of the incident, to me more informative because of their friendship and it was backed up with other evidence presented by the D.A. Unlike Mason and the D.A, who violate court protocol and walk up to and confront witnesses face to face and somehow pull out at the last minute such convincing evidence that the real guilty party stands up and admits their guilt, real trials are not like that at all but many jurors don't evaluate evidence but just expect results like that. If the defense attorney can't pull a rabbit out at the last minute, the defendant must be guilty. Only in one trial did something like that happen but it was the D.A. that pulled out the rabbit but, even then, the defendant did not admit anything so we had to judge the value of the rabbit, not just have an easy time of verifying the guilt.

In the case of the juror who believed that the defendant would not lie, we ended up with a hung jury, 11-1 for guilty. In the "rabbit" case, the defendant was convicted but it took a long time for us to decide.

marble falls

(71,020 posts)
20. Then the strawberries were battleship gray! ...
Thu May 1, 2025, 07:25 AM
May 2025

... I've seen it often and I see it in my mind in black and white. But the publicity photos are in color, so ............

Bmoboy

(607 posts)
5. The Defenders
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:38 PM
Apr 2025

TV series with E G Marshall (who was also in 12 Angry Men) and Robert Reed (before The Brady Bunch).

Ain't life inneressin?

madamesilverspurs

(16,462 posts)
9. Oddly, the original "Miracle on 34th Street"
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 09:13 PM
Apr 2025

For the wry in-chambers discussion between the judge and the political operative (Gene Lockhart and William Frawley, respectively) about the potential ramifications of the case. And in the courtroom, "...ye shall be hoid."

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Tarzanrock

(1,250 posts)
12. It's difficult to beat the Perry Mason televison series.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 10:29 PM
Apr 2025

The first 5 seasons of that television show -- 1958 to 1962 -- are currently available to be watched on that Tubi "free" streaming network. Check it out. The cast is fantastic, every one of the players is a terrific, experienced professional actor who performs marvelously. The scripts, the dialogue and the drama are pretty much better than anything on television today. Then, there are the fantastic automobiles, the Cadillacs, the Lincolns, the Fords, the Mercurys, the Thunderbirds, the Corvettes, etc. There are the boats, the ships and the maritime scenes. There are the scenes of Los Angeles and California in the late 1950's and the early 1960's. There are the courtroom scenes from the Old Los Angeles Downtown Criminal Courthouse and the new Stanley Mosk Courthouse opened in January, 1959. Then, there is the music and the cinematography. It's hard to beat the "guest stars" who appeared in this series -- all are first rate actors. One of the best is the iconic Bette Davis playing widowed lawyer, Constant Doyle. Bette is just one of many who appeared in this fantastic television series.

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