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lostincalifornia

(4,555 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 11:45 AM 4 hrs ago

An insurance company is introducing a new threat to American medicine

Complexity in medicine cannot be reduced to a billing code

"On Oct. 1, Cigna will roll out a policy that tracks how physicians bill. It will flag those who submit a higher proportion of level four or level five visits — which get reimbursed at a higher rate — than their peers. For doctors placed under this extra scrutiny, certain claims at those higher levels may be adjusted down by one level if the billing details do not appear to justify the service. The affected codes include 99204–99205 (new patient, office/outpatient), 99214–99215 (established patient, office/outpatient), and 99244–99245 (consultations).

Cigna says the goal is to fight upcoding and billing abuse, arguing that some physicians bill for more complex visits than were actually provided, such as charging for a 40-minute encounter when the visit lasted only 10 minutes, and that these patterns drive unnecessary costs for patients and employers.

But coding is not based on time alone. Under current rules, physicians can bill according to either total time or the complexity of medical decision making. That means a physician who legitimately spends half an hour or more untangling multiple conditions, reviewing medications, and coordinating care could still be flagged as an outlier, triggering payment reductions and extra administrative work even when the documentation supports the higher code.

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Complexity in medicine cannot be reduced to a billing code. A patient with hypertension, diabetes, or depression may look “routine” on paper, yet the visit may involve reconciling medications, coordinating referrals, addressing side effects, screening for complications, and navigating barriers like cost or insurance approvals. That is not a three-minute problem; it’s a 30 to 40-minute conversation."

https://www.statnews.com/2025/09/29/cigna-downcoding-prior-authorization-doctors-bureaucracy/


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An insurance company is introducing a new threat to American medicine (Original Post) lostincalifornia 4 hrs ago OP
My employer just switched to goddamned Cigna. CousinIT 3 hrs ago #1
Cigna supplemental medicare Topomi 1 hr ago #2
As always, there is only ONE ANSWER to this... Moostache 1 hr ago #3

Topomi

(41 posts)
2. Cigna supplemental medicare
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 02:39 PM
1 hr ago

Last year coverage cost $149 plus change monthly starting on my birthday this fall $198 plus change. Last year under new program prescription coverage 40¢ added to original coverage this year $50.40 additional per month. No matter how you cut it a 60% increase in Michigan. Thank you repubs.

Moostache

(10,818 posts)
3. As always, there is only ONE ANSWER to this...
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 02:44 PM
1 hr ago

SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE - Medicare for all.

X + 0 < X+Y

This is the simplest way to illustrate the central problem in healthcare costs in the USA versus literally anywhere else in the civilized world...

X = cost of healthcare service
0 = nothing added to the cost for margins
Y = every single dollar added to the compensation of lnsurance executives and costs

There is simply no way to legitimately compete with a non-profit, government administered service for something like health care. The insurance companies see ZERO patients, make ZERO diagnoses, contribute nothing to patient care or outcomes and actually suck up HUGE AMOUNTS OF CASH to find ways to guide healthcare premiums from doctors, hospitals and patients to CEOs, ad campaigns and lobbyists.

If we killed private health insurance for all non-elective and acute care (ERs, emergency surgeries, cancer and chronic disease treatments) and left them the plastic surgery and optional gender-affirming care (like nose jobs, BOTOX, lip fillers, etc.) two things would happen right away.

1) Total costs for the overall system would drop - roughly by the amount the create vampire insurer scum suck out of the system.
2) Patient outcomes and preventative medicine would improve majorly.

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