Yep

trump is obviously a proxy for putin in any "negotiations"

Mr. Hitler assures me he has no further territorial ambitions in Europe.

... invasion or some other means of annexing Greenland last week, weren't we?

Security guarantees from the US under the Trump Administration are at best laughable and should never be taken to be worth anything. That is sad to say, but it is true. Besides, the US already gave Ukraine security guarantees when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons:

with missiles while EU troops deploy To Ukraine, and prepare for Spring offensive to obliterate Russians in Donbas and then use Spring and Summer to clean it out and re-occupy it. Ukraine should also coordinate with EU to support resistance groups in Chechnya, Ingushetia, and Georgia to create problems requiring Russia's attention outside of Ukraine.

In the meantime Starmer and Rutte should tell Putin he may as well release whatever blackmail material he has on Trump because Trump won't deliver Donbas.

That is distinctly unlikely.

That was for their counter proposal to what they knew Trump would offer Zelenskyy as directed by his Russian handlers. Germany recently announced they were building up their military to be ready for a Russian invasion in two years.

So maybe that's an indictor that despite their claimed planning, they're not exactly ready yet.

Not as active participants in the conflict.

EU needs to expect and plan for getting involved sooner if Trump ends US support for Ukraine. Europe can't let Russia succeed with this invasion or Russia will probably be going after Moldova next.

The land behind the line of control? That's parts of Luhansk and Donetsk, and all of Crimea...

Or just Donetsk Province? There are parts of "The Donbas" that aren't in Russian control yet.

As much as I hate it, Ukraine will wind up ceding territory to end this war - MFer is starving them of the resources they need to sustain it.

The question is how much, and in exchange for what.

a 10 mile demilitarized zone along the entire pre-2014 internationally recognized Ukraine/Russian border, on both sides. That should be the extent of "giving up" land to which Ukraine ever agrees.

It's not reality. What forces/persuades Putin to pull back?

Ukrainian goal of 50,000 Russian dead every month? They are not too far off with the present pace of Russian casualties. There also is growing social unease within Russia concerning the war and the Russian economy is operating on a respirator at the moment. It will get worse for Russia, it's just a matter of how much pain the Russian people are willing to take.

Supposedly has lithium deposits and other rare earths as well. That's why Trump and Putin want it. Same with Greenland.

Make Absurd demands
Threaten, present ultimatums.
Do not give one inch in negotiations..
The other side will always offer you something, consessions
ruzzia gets something they did not have before.

The ruzzian tactic for years... TFG just trying to adopt it..
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Russia is going bankrupt with a bullet. Call Putin's bluff because he's not in a position to make demands. trump has already broken previous treaties that were undertaken when Ukraine gave up its nukes. He's not going to honor anything.

Stay strong, President Zelensky! Make your own demands.

I think we all know.

was to finalize this demand with Putin. This all stinks so bad you would almost think Witkoff had his head way up into Putin's posterior cheeks.

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Is Putin already assuming that Crimea is Russian territory? He wants Donbas AND Criimea???

Let the world see just what this traitor is doing to the free world.