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BumRushDaShow

(164,125 posts)
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:20 PM 3 hrs ago

Hegseth cites 'fog of war' in defending follow-on strike in scrutinized attack on alleged drug boat

Source: AP

Updated 2:10 PM EST, December 2, 2025


WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth cited the “fog of war” in defending a follow-up strike on an alleged drug-carrying boat in the Caribbean Sea earlier this year.

During Tuesday’s cabinet meeting at the White House, Hegseth said that he did not see that there were survivors in the water when the second strike was ordered and launched in early September, saying that “the thing was on fire” and citing the “fog of war” in defending the strike.

Hegseth also said he “didn’t stick around” for the remainder of the mission following the first strike, and said that the admiral in charge had “made the right call” in ordering it, which he “had complete authority to do.”

The Washington Post first reported that Hegseth issued a verbal order for the second strike that killed survivors on the boat. On Monday, the White House said that Navy Vice Adm. Frank “Mitch” Bradley acted “within his authority and the law” when he ordered the second strike.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-trump-venezuela-540ae279827e02105e089f1bd5af37a6



“the thing was on fire”


What is a "thing"? It was a civilian boat with civilians on it. No one bothered to board it to determine what its intentions were.

citing the “fog of war”


When did the U.S. (CONGRESS) "declare war"?
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Hegseth cites 'fog of war' in defending follow-on strike in scrutinized attack on alleged drug boat (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 3 hrs ago OP
Circling back to kill civilians floating in the water is MURDER, not fog of war. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #1
There is no F...king War. Not even a Congressional Resolution, but less a Congressional Declaration of War. hlthe2b 3 hrs ago #2
Exactly. There is NO WAR. We are looking at MURDER. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #12
Right?! What war? yardwork 1 hr ago #20
Killing men just fishing on their boat is called murder. Irish_Dem 1 hr ago #21
Kelly was right. This is all a big game to them. ananda 3 hrs ago #3
I missed the part where we declared war on Venezuela. Ray Bruns 3 hrs ago #4
More like the fog of too much booze.nt moniss 3 hrs ago #5
Gee. If Robert McNamara could go stock free by writing a book about "Fog of War" erronis 3 hrs ago #6
What a fucking joke. chowder66 3 hrs ago #7
Total fucking bullshit. He's a fucking liar and murderer. LymphocyteLover 3 hrs ago #8
Since when have we been at war? Did Congress declare war and I missed it?? Rhiannon12866 3 hrs ago #9
A leader in his position... Mike Nelson 3 hrs ago #10
You would need the other side returning fire for it to be a fog of war. Baitball Blogger 3 hrs ago #11
The "fog of war"? Inf**kingcredible! patphil 3 hrs ago #13
"fog of war" my old soldier ass AverageOldGuy 2 hrs ago #14
"Fog of war" is how women describe the feeling after Hegseth has been near their drinks Prairie Gates 2 hrs ago #15
Kegsbreath lying again sakabatou 2 hrs ago #16
So Bradley will be giving a classified briefing on Thursday, Native 2 hrs ago #17
Is that what they're calling drunken stupor now? Buddyzbuddy 2 hrs ago #18
Just exactly how much chaos and uncertainty (fog) is there when no one is shooting back at you? LudwigPastorius 1 hr ago #19

hlthe2b

(112,345 posts)
2. There is no F...king War. Not even a Congressional Resolution, but less a Congressional Declaration of War.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:29 PM
3 hrs ago

Much less a metaphoric war. Mr. Macho-wannabe, whose insecurity literally SCREAMS from his words and "actions."

But, yes... MURDER!

yardwork

(68,699 posts)
20. Right?! What war?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:35 PM
1 hr ago

The U.S. aimed a missile at an unarmed fishing boat off the coast of Venezuela and when a couple people survived, we hit them again.

Not a war. We call this terrorism when other people do it.

Irish_Dem

(78,483 posts)
21. Killing men just fishing on their boat is called murder.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:37 PM
1 hr ago

And yes they are using murder to terrorize everyone.

ananda

(34,147 posts)
3. Kelly was right. This is all a big game to them.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:30 PM
3 hrs ago

They're like spoiled psychopathic children
who think they can get away with anything.

erronis

(22,190 posts)
6. Gee. If Robert McNamara could go stock free by writing a book about "Fog of War"
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:38 PM
3 hrs ago

why wouldn't little drunkard pete try that exit door?

For those that are too old or too young: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War

Baitball Blogger

(51,554 posts)
11. You would need the other side returning fire for it to be a fog of war.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:55 PM
3 hrs ago

In Hegseth's place, it was more bloodlust than fog of war.

patphil

(8,564 posts)
13. The "fog of war"? Inf**kingcredible!
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:11 PM
3 hrs ago

Blowing up some small boats in international waters just because they can doesn't qualify for a "fog of war" condition.
This asshole's drunk on power.

AverageOldGuy

(3,215 posts)
14. "fog of war" my old soldier ass
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:15 PM
2 hrs ago

His goddam brain was fogged up on booze.

Hogsbreath is a former National Guard infantry officer. However, he NEVER EVEN ENROLLED IN OR REQUESTED TO BE ENROLLED IN SOME COURSES THAT ALL/MOST INFANTRY OFFICERS AND SOLDIERS COMPLETE.
-- Ranger -- some of the toughest and best small infantry unit training in the world
-- Airborne -- learn how to jump out of airplanes. And land safely.
-- Air Assault -- helicopter operations in combat
-- Pathfinder -- small unit goes in first, clears the way for follow-on small units



I completed all but Pathfinder, never figured I needed it. Active duty 1967-1995, Vietnam 1969-70.

Native

(7,282 posts)
17. So Bradley will be giving a classified briefing on Thursday,
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:43 PM
2 hrs ago

this should be very interesting.

LudwigPastorius

(13,920 posts)
19. Just exactly how much chaos and uncertainty (fog) is there when no one is shooting back at you?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:13 PM
1 hr ago

Criminals!

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