I don't GAF the name of the org. but it reminded me of that old hateful fat-f6ck Bill Donahue. That clown's only 78 and he looked 78 twenty years ago when he was on the Tee Vee every fricking day spouting off his fat mouth

Appointing a MAGA bishop is the only thing hateful here. I guess your quite OK with that. Those MAGATS should all be defrocked.

You can't even prove he's maga bishop. Nor do you even know his name or his Diocese.
I'm not OK with ignorant name calling.

The guy's another Bill Donahue. My initial instincts are spot on. I sympathize if you're a Catholic. I was one as a child. I sat through many a folk service Sunday with guitars strumming. I love the new Pope. He's a decent guy. When I see a RW Bishop, my blood boils. Just my thoughts.

that God doesn't love every last one of those he created in his image.

Hope I'm right? How about you choose. Maybe go back and see how liturgical music is different now, and face the fact that you made a free will choice to not even try to meet Jesus's 2,000 year old Church half way just because you didn't like one church's music.
Neither you nor I can put the Self first and not the one who made you -- out of the 1 million trillion trillion combinations of DNA that could have been another human instead of us -- and who created all things visible and invisible (light, dark matter, gamma rays, quantum energy, atomic resonation across light years) stuff that's forced physicists to rewrite most of the science of physics) across millions of universes.

I'm a skeptic. I do say my prayer every nite before sleep but that's the early Catholicism in me. Sorry if I came in a bit aggressive but we are in strange times. I do hope this new Pope will keep things on the up-and-up. The guy from OK is surrounded by rabid rePUKES though. He's basically painted into a corner. Maybe not his own doing but.......

Maybe you're in strange times, but the times will always be changing.

I know you're a good person! You're on DU, right? Cheers

You're a good person, too. Being Democrats is just our political side.

What a joke. A RW culture warrior. He's gonna tell us, "Gay marriage is wrong." Derp derp


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Grow up. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good.

This guy is light years away from being an ally to the Democratic party.

ps.- 65-years old, retired, Dem Blue Union worker

And yes, there are catholics who voted for trump -- though they know better than to say it, because they know the Bible's and Catholic teachings --- that they did is totally beyond my comprehension.

Bishops outside concentration camps/prisons demanding to see the hostages matter. Many South American priests DIED for their beliefs. If the bishops are not prepared to die for their beliefs, they should concentrate on cleaning up their own pedophilic problem.

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If you're not among them, your opinion is worthless.

Catholic bishops who have been martyrs are numbered in the thousands.
The main examples of bishops who were martyred for Jesus are his apostles, eleven of whom were bishops -- James of Jerusalem, Paul of Antioch, Peter of Rome, etc. -- those three among the eleven.
Others over the centuries include Saint Thomas Becket, Saint Iuliu Hossu, and Saint John Fisher, but these are just a few prominent figures among a vast number of bishops who have been killed for their faith throughout history. 

Before the persecution of the Church ended around 313 AD, every pope and bishop martyred understood the risk of their role. Of the first 31 bishops of Rome -- the successors of St. Peter, the rock on whom Jesus said Jesus himself would build his church, and to whom Jesus gave the Keys to The Kingdom -- of those first 31 bishops of Rome (known as "papas" or popes), 28 were murdered for their faith.

During specific periods of intense persecution, like the Spanish Civil War, there were thousands of clerical victims, including many bishops.
Per the Catholic News Agency, the 20th century also saw many episcopal martyrs, such as the seven Romanian Greek-Catholic bishops killed by the communist regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Martyred_Roman_Catholic_bishops

So they DO die for Jesus and his Church -- one of the reasons (besides the words of the gospels and letters themselves) Jesus's 2,000 year old Church grew across 6 continents. He taught that we should be willing to die for our brothers.

Re your technically correct claim of bishops' guilt in covering up pedophilia...

1.
The former Bishop of Rome, Pope Francis, went to Canada, Bolivia, and Africa, where he begged for God's forgiveness for the sins of the Church, saying the Church "kneels before God to implore forgiveness for the sins of her children".

2.
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB)
In June 2002, the USCCB unanimously approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People (the "Dallas Charter " ), which established uniform procedures for handling abuse allegations. Key actions include:

"Zero Tolerance" Policy:
A commitment to permanent removal from ministry for any cleric with a credible accusation of child abuse.
Mandatory Reporting:
Bishops are required to follow civil reporting laws and alert authorities to allegations.
Safe Environment Programs:
Implementation of background checks for all Church employees and volunteers, along with training programs for adults and children on recognizing and reporting abuse.
National Review Board:
Creation of an external board, primarily composed of lay experts, to audit diocesan compliance and study the scope of the problem.
Financial Settlements:
Dioceses have paid billions in financial settlements to victims, leading some to declare bankruptcy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States#:~:text=On%20May%205%2C%202020%2C%20the,total%20payout%20to%20$1.5%20billion.

3.
Which is right and just.
Every day in millions of Catholic churches' millions of Masses, full of church faithful throughout the world, repent and pray for forgiveness.
At the heart of each and every one of the million Masses, the priests, bishops and faithful ask God to overlook the sins of individuals and instead focus on the collective faith of the Church. The prayer is a plea for peace and unity within the Christian community, acknowledging human sinfulness while trusting in God's grace and the collective faith of believers: they pray

"...look not upon our sins, but the faith of your Church..." based on the verse from the Gospel of John (John 14:27), the only one of the twelve apostles who wasn't murdered, and who was the "apostle who Jesus loved." He wrote the last gospel, "The Gospel According to St. John," and
"The Revelation of St John The Divine"

Those who know Jesus's Church the least tend to be the most judgmental toward it.

a Church with a centuries long history of sexual abuse, exploitation, slavery, and corruption.

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For 20 centuries the Church has not been a club for the righteous but has been more a hospital for sinners. It welcomes all, loves all, and helps all. It is the biggest charity on planet earth, and will continue to embrace all humans no matter where. The Catholics of Florida that I know are humble, funny, not perfect humans, but they love those who are hard to love, and they are kinder and more steadfast than my past friends, and those are Jesus things.

Just curious.

This PIG?:
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Catholicism is not against gay rights. Deceased Pope Francis said so. And so does Pope Leo XIV.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-leo-meets-lgbtq-catholic-advocate-and-vows-continuity-with-pope-francis-legacy-of-welcome#:~:text=VATICAN%20CITY%20

He was big during the '90s and early 2000s.

I applaud their stand against Chump's anti-immigration policies. I'm not sure what took them so long, but I guess it's beside the point.

The fact is that the US Catholic churches are losing believers in droves. One of their few areas of growth in the last 40 years has been the influx of Latino Catholics who worship regularly and participate in parish activities. As Chump has instilled fear in these Latino-Americans, using the Sunday Mass to collect and arrest immigrants, it has put a pall on all US Catholic activities. It's an outrage, it's totally uncalled for, and it's very bad for American Catholics.

Thank you for speaking up, US Conference of Catholic Bishops!

They got too politically entangled with the right wing religious nutballs. That and the pedophile scandals are a huge part of what drove people away. It was the hypocrisy that got to me.

Maybe Pope Leo can start turning things around in the American church. I am not counting on it, but it would be nice.