My frustration is boiling over.

WHY!!!! Special interest money? I don't know but it doesn't matter now and I can't control this or the repercussions for the Democratic Party.
Our future is just a pile of shit now.

young people don't want Democrats they don't want GOP people either so they're just not going to vote

It's visceral. Everything is under attack.

People are going to die. Children are going to go hungry.

MAGA gets their fucking way on everything. Time to flush these turds.

Can't think what else changed in the last few days.

Regarding travel:

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/flights-canceled-las-vegas-tourism-troubles-21147227.php

(snip)
The disruption in air travel could have a continued impact on the local economy if visitors choose to alter or cancel Las Vegas trips in the face of uncertainty. Las Vegas businesses joined almost 500 businesses nationwide in penning a letter to government officials urging them to end the shutdown. The letter, organized by the U.S. Travel Association and addressing top congressional leaders, said the U.S. travel industry has already lost $4 billion since the shutdown began and pleaded with them to open the government ahead of the busy Thanksgiving holiday travel.

On supply chains:

https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-airlines-shipping-cfeecb272743298e2e522eb351a28e31

Flight cuts from government shutdown strain a supply chain that’s already stretched thin
(snip)

Private Flights were canceled at twelve major airports, so that may have been a bigger factor. That campaign cash converting to a penson upon "retirement" scam hits us again.

From the OP's link
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/09/government-funding-deal-on-track-to-advance-sunday-night-00644110

and VA for the full fiscal year, so there would not be any disruption of SNAP and other food benefits. This is important.

It also puts some restraints on Vought/Trump with respect to the federal workforce.

The fact is, Dems were not going to get Rs to agree to an extension of ACA subsidies. Getting a vote will put Rs on record for or against subsidies.

This is not a bad deal and it will help Americans right away.

or is it just a promise to allow a vote at some time in the future?

And everybody needs to understand the difference between allowing a vote (where every Republican can vote "no" ) on some hypothetical future bill (which the GOP can torpedo with poison pill amendments) versus an agreement to actually do any of the things we are demanding.

But I must admit I was wrong about one thing. I predicted that Schumer would capitulate within a day or two. Instead he took a month to capitulate -- waiting until we had all the leverage before folding like a cheap suit. Did everyone enjoy this theater production?

a) he had no real plan
b) he has no control over the Senate Dems

Yet, this place is still flooded with people who think it is a good thing to have Dem Senators believing they can be free agents, and that we must never speak of aggressively seeking and supporting primary opponents to get these assholes out of our party.

I have zero patience for anybody coming in with that free agent baloney.

This is people being whipped to take one for the team so those who DO have elections coming up don't have to look bad.

I'll leave it to you to decide who did the whipping. As a New Yorker, I'll be voting for AOC in the primary. And I always thought of myself as the most moderate of moderate Democrats.

The public strongly supported the Dem position on the shutdown. This was HELPING us electorally. You might have heard about some elections last week.

Maybe this is what Schumer was thinking. If so, that's even more reason that he needs to be gone TODAY.

Other than that he needs to be gone today. I wouldn't mind that, but I don't see how that realistically happens.

"This is people being whipped to take one for the team so those who DO have elections coming up don't have to look bad"

The American public at large, and a huge majority of Democrats, supported this hard line position, even though it meant some short-term pain. So I don't understand how snatching defeat from the jaws of victory protects Senators running next year. I think this cowardice hurts every single Democrat. The public wants to be with us, but they see us as untrustworthy because we cave in so easily. Most people don't really hate Democrats. They mostly really like the policies we talk about. But they see us as pathetic and feckless.

has been throwing a hissy fit over lost Thanksgiving business, so some who are funded heavily by the airline industry were willing to go against the wishes of most Democrats to cave and keep the airline money coming in to fund their campaigns.

So Schumer (or someone) found a way to get around what Democrats want in order to keep the airline cash coming in, and to do it with only people who won't be immediately hurt by going against the vast majority of Democrats. I don't believe at all that this was a surprise to Schumer. I think the 8 were acting according to Schumer's wishes.

I don't support that at all. (Perhaps you thought I did and that is where the misunderstanding is coming from. I am just describing what I think happened. I'm not saying I support it.)

But I believe that is what happened. And I'm not alone in that belief.

And having the airlines throw a hissy fit INCREASED our leverage. The GOP wont back off unless they feel enough pain, and we seem incapable of staying the course.

He set it up so that the 8 dems who voted for it are not facing reelection anytime soon.

Now we have 8 assholes who have identified themselves, and probably another 20 right behind them.

Can we finally talk about hitting these people with primary opponents without the DU bully squad getting us suspended?

That was also reported in the Washington Post today.

But the caucus should be demanding a different leader in the next session starting in January, 2026

that fund through the end of FY26 (Sept 30 2026) have already been negotiated between Rs and Ds as well as between the House and Senate. They are ready to go. The agriculture (farm) bill is the one that funds SNAP and other food benefits. The VA is also funded through the end of FY26. The only bad look is Congress making sure it's funded through Sept.

The CR funds everything else through the end of Jan. It is NOT the same CR passed by the House.

The vote on subsidies is scheduled for mid-Dec. Thune's credibility is on the line so I believe that will happen and I suspect it will pass.

There are also protections for federal workers ensuring back pay and that they will be re-hired if they were "RIF'd".

Here is the AP story: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/government-shutdown-reaches-40th-day-050134288.html

There is no bill for restoring the ACA subsidies. There is zero chance that ever comes back. Republicans have been fighting for this day for 16 years.

Sure, Thune will let Schumer write a bill and put it to a vote. And there will be plenty of Republicans voting against it to kill it, and maybe they will joined by their 8 new pals.

I don't know if Schumer lost control of his caucus or if this was his extra clever plan all along. But I do know that in sports parlance, you can't fire the whole team so you have to fire the coach. And in Schumer's case, he has fought against primary opponents all along. I stopped donating to the DNC years ago, and I will not give them a penny until they get behind the idea of a unified party with a common vision and a commitment to achieving major progress, including the willingness to push out the Senators and Representatives that are working against us. This process should start with replacing Schumer. And at this point, I'm planning to allocate a major portion of my political donations to AOC to get Schumer out of the Senate altogether.

We should be talking openly about who would be a better person to have in the Minority Leader position. I'm thinking Markey, Merkeley, Van Hollen. People who aren't afraid to talk plainly and forcefully. Definitely not people like Booker, Schiff and others who obfuscate everything they say. Maybe Hirono. She might kick some real ass.

... do not trust THUNE or any Republican to stick to their word. I have gotten too many mealy mouthed responses from Thune when writing his office concerning issues. He tends to say much, yet nothing concerning the issue at hand.

The Senate already voted on this and it did not pass and it won't pass whenever (if ever) the R[s deign to hold true to their promises - which generally meas never ever!! I am ashamed of the 8, and ashamed of the party that allowed this and my fear for America only grows! My son relies on the ACA and now won't be able to afford it, and he really needs surgery.

pain since I also rely on the ACA. I lost my federal contracting job several months ago due to DOGE and since then I have been on ACA. I have been working gig jobs to stay afloat until I can get a real job and the ACA was helping me out tremendously. It really sucks that your son and myself got screwed over by these spineless Democrats. I feel now until I can get a real job that I will be playing Russian roulette by not having insurance since you never know when you will need it. What a ridiculous country that we live in with this type of nonsense occurring.

but then......how are a group of people gonna vote, regardless of party, who are guaranteed retirement and medical for life after serving just one term??????

"There is no bill for restoring the ACA subsidies. There is zero chance that ever comes back. Republicans have been fighting for this day for 16 years"

This, for all time, represents the final nail in the coffin.....

Once again, They" continue to walk down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes, completely and totally oblivious to the herd of charging elephants................

We had nothing to lose, anywhere near as important as ACA. And they caved.................

They have been caving for over four decades, and now......they wonder how this can happen????????????????????

percent. I was telling my best friend last night who is also a progressive of how this truly was the last nail in the coffin because now the democrats have nothing to offer me since I was relying on ACA. Now without it what can they sell me? Even fear tactics won't do it since I lost my job several months ago so what else can get worse for me. I know they will try with saying stuff like food prices will go up but my response to that is well I guess I rather starve to death that live in this society. Fear tactics is definitely not going to work for me now. I have already made peace with the possibility of death.

I'll never vote for a Republican but if the Democrats ever want my vote again I need to see them campaign on offering tangibles to me such as universal healthcare, and other economic benefits. I'm not voting out of fear anymore. I did that the last 3 presidential election cycles. I'm done with that.

I am going minute to minute on whether to throw in the towel...............

The Repubs, (and the 2025 Fascists) have the destruction of ACA on the very top of their list for over sixteen years when Obama got it in......

IT IS ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE IN...........

Next on the list is Social Security being turned over to private investment firms crap shoot. Then comes a ton of other stuff....
Medicare, medicaid, our beloved Constitution, although it is already ignored by them and is in shreds.........The fascist take over, end of posse comatatus, and when we rebel, the Insurrection act, Martial law, and the tyranny within The Corporate Fascist of America replacing the USA....

The list is endless.........and in my opinion....THE shot heard round the world.......

WASF

safety net programs. I see the Republicans some how injecting poison pills within SSN, Medicaid, and Medicare. The poison pill will be some way tying privatization to all of those programs. These poison pills will eventually take down all of those programs.

He may be standing in the front, but he sure didnt lead.

Who hasn’t voted? They are four votes short.

According to someone on TV, those last 4 votes are Democrats. No clue if that's true or not though.

John Cornyn (R-TX), Rick Scott (R-FL), Ron Johnson (R-WI), and Mike Lee (R-UT).

One vote left.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/floor_activity_pail.htm

pass the modified bill, and Johnson will have no more excuse to avoid swearing in the new Democratic member who will provide the final signature needed to force consideration of releasing the EPSTEIN FILES!

realistic expectation that the Senate will invoke cloture to even vote on it?

And even if I'm wrong, it still had to go to Trump for signature. There's no way there's 2/3 override in the senate.

As always.

- we are not getting the files.

Party members who identify as democratic socialists should spin off a new party now; separate themselves from this moribund entity that the democratic party has become.

We need an actual progressive party. Not a spineless centrist party that bends over to fascism at every turn.

..in reality that would only ensure a permanent Reich Wing government in America.

We have only the barest fig leaf covering the reality that we don't actually have a democracy anymore. NYC is the only real outlier and you can see how the establishment class feels about how that went down.

Our electoral system really leans into a duopoly, the senate's shitty behavior yesterday didn't change that. So we're faced with the age-old question of "whether tis better to brave the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or by opposing end them."

hope one of them decides to convert to being an actual patriotic, non-traitorous American (like those who actually understand the principles this country was founded on) and changes their vote, versus the constantly, predictably caving in, or dare I say chickening out, wuss asses they are being. But honestly, am pretty sure it circles back to $$$ and who owns them.

Although the shutdowns will continue after January and there's no agreement on the ACA, at least SNAP gets funded for a year so the poor don't go hungry.

and he succeeded with it, so he'll use extreme tactics like that in the future.

which is Trump will use SNAP as cudgel every time to get whatever he wants out of the Democrats. This is not a one time deal with Trump when it comes to SNAP. He will do it every single time he feels he has to extract concessions out of the Democrats.

Was the shutdown because Republicans wouldn't keep healthcare subsidies? Many people thought so... but now the shutdown is over and republicans didn't keep healthcare subsidies.

Was it because of the Democrats filibustering a clean CR? Some polls indicated that a growing number said that wasn't the case... but now Democrats have ended their filibuster and the government is opening.

He'll never cut corporate subsidies or funds for farmers in red states, but he's now much more likely to hold other essential funds for working people hostage and expect to get rewarded for it. It's kind of predictable that Mandahmi will have trouble providing free bus fare once the Dept. of Transportation withholds all of NYC's funding.

60 votes.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/floor_activity_pail.htm

WHICH DEMS VOTED FOR???????

Catherine Cortez Masto
Dick Durbin
John Fetterman
Maggie Hassan
Tim Kaine
Jacky Rosen
Jeanne Shaheen
Angus King (I)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/11/10/shutdown-deal-democrats/

Why are the captiulators using republican talking points?

The status quo ante, plus a meaningless Republican promise to “hold a vote” in December on the ACA (which vote, if held, will be meaningless as even if it were to miraculously pass the Senate, it would die in the House). So the Democrats got nothing at all out of the shut down except a cementing of their reputation as feckless. SAD!

As a former federal employee (most recently left in 2023 to be clear), I would not view the Dems as heroes simply because they negotiated to let me keep the pay and employment status I would have had before the shutdown. I would wonder why in the world they put me through the trauma of withheld pay and maybe being RIF’ed without getting a single thing out it. What, indeed, was the point?

What a sad tragic waste for a party that was finally beginning to demonstrate backbone and cohesion.

AP: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/government-shutdown-reaches-40th-day-050134288.html

There really isn’t anything much in the deal.

Guaranteeing people the pay and jobs they had before the shutdown (yes, a good thing), but that is just the “status quo ante,” meaning what people would have had anyway, had there been no shut down. And a vague promise of a vote on subsidies, which I guess you can argue has potential, but any successful action is remote in time and not guaranteed to pass either house of Congress, much less be signed by the President. In your view, what have I left out?

Don’t get me wrong, I would not oppose a real deal in which the Dems got something real and tangible even if it what short of their goal of a one year extension of the current level of ACA subsidies. They even could have traded for something else *meaningful* in the health care space and spun that as an achievement.

But this particular deal looks like a full cave in and will be spun as a full cave in. One reason I am angry about it is that this kind of capitulating behavior is what makes those who do not follow politics and government as closely as we on DU do feel that the Dems are feckless cowards. IMHO: We cannot afford to feed that perception if we want to win future elections.

These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️

I will donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️

banking, giving till it hurt….and this is the return. I’m exhausted y’all..we will be cut now anyway so there is no recovery in our household. At 61 the jobs are not there. I’m trying to keep two disabled veterans alive and myself and they are taking everything, even my access to healthcare. I’m not sure what to do at this point.

that because this is a different bill than the CR passed by the House, Johnson will have to bring the House back into session to vote on it.

While there he will have to swear in the new AZ rep who will be the 218th vote on the Espstein discharge peitition.

I do not believe Republicans will ever allow ACA subsidies again. They want to kill the program and have no concerns if people die from lack of medical care. By caving to Republicans, the Democrats prevented some people from starving but consigned others to perhaps dying with no treatment for diseases. Medicaid might help a few, but the Big Ugly Bill cut that also, and red states especially are spending millions to prevent people from getting Medicaid.

We are a dysfunctional country run by oligarchs solely for the benefit of oligarchs.

Even if we win the senate, we will need to clear a filibuster proof vote and a Trump veto.

The reports i'm reading is that chuck did not back this

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And even if he didn’t, it just shows what a weak fuck he is. He’s done, he should retire today.

Thanks

And in a couple of months we are all going to be right back here.

Never trust a republican.

ALL Senate Dems. should refuse this deal and vote NO! They should have been assured that the house would bring it to the floor vote.

DINO's ?

Eight sellouts fucked us all

Now whatever happens to health care premiums and health insurance the GOP owns it