(And I understand that this is what's being hinted at .... But that's kind of the problem. For all the hinting ... )

Everything so far - (i.e. topless photographs, birthday cards, et.al. .. ) - has been very much ho-hum. With the public being (again) completely unfazed. And the needle not budging ... The smoking gun - has to at some point - become a legitimate smoking gun.

rather than "leeringly smiling" and "obviously very young girls"

I think I can answer that question, however: if they clearly look 15 or under, then it will most definitely NOT be "ho-hum", rather he will be quite fucked. If they appear to maybe be 16-17, then it will be a big problem but it's unlikely anything serious happens to him. Assuming he did not take the pictures, did not possess the pictures, and is only IN the pictures, then there's probably no legal recourse because the illegal part is taking and possessing the pictures, not being in them (as long as there's no sex, groping, etc). Just talking about the existence of the pics here. In that case, the GQP is likely to just claim "Oh, he didn't know their age and anyway he never touched these girls".

The smoking gun would be just one (now woman) coming out and putting her name on a compelling and convincing recount of how Trump had sex with them at Epstein's behest when they were minors. So far, none have. And Virginia Guiffre clearly stated she never saw him around.

Not saying what SHOULD happen in either case (I think he should go to Jail IMMEDIATELY!), just that he's been Teflon Don all along, so absent something like convincing eyewitness testimony, my guess is that pics of him with topless girls (unless they clearly look really young) are unlikely to force the flying monkeys of the GQP congress (or Bondi's DoJ) to act on them (i.e. impeach/indict).

That's a different matter from how many people will turn against him over it in the public at large over ANY such photos where the girls look *likely* to be minors. You likely will finally see his approval rating drop below 30%, and more importantly, the SCOTUS stop kissing his royal ass

So I'm NOT saying their exposure would lack value, just that pics alone won't get him impeached unless the girls look really young. That's my guess.

EDIT: Oh, also, the more different TIMES there are such pictures of, the worse it will be for Trump. Different parties, different girls. If there's like 3 or 4? That could definitely push things way over the 'ho-hum' edge.

“young teens” specifically — on his lap, topless and you cab bet your life he’s smiling grandly. That’s not ho-him unless you think its normal.

Which I in fact read quite closely.

My point is, the source of the information about these incriminating pictures is Michael Wolff, who is the one Epstein showed them to. The venue he made that claim is in a Daily Beast interview. Wolff does NOT say "very young girls" in that interview So what are these "other reports" that characterized the photos in the way that you are claiming. What is their source?

I also read it closely enough to notice that the article implies, but does NOT say that the "bad news" in the Epstein files is (at least in part) the same photos that Wolff mentioned in the article. But, in fact, for all we know, Epstein burned those photos in 2015 after he showed them to Wolff. Likely? NO. But we don't even know, from this article, that the DoJ has those photos.

But it seems as though nearly everyone here read that they DO have them, although the article claims no such thing

11 or 12 years old is "not a young woman." She is a GIRL. Not grown up enough no know fully what sex with a man could entail, what damage it can do to her... both physically and emotionally.

I get so tired of seeing the monikers "girl" and "woman" thrown around willy-nilly depending on the situation. They choose the moniker based on how it would make them seem. Granted, girls have been maturing physically earlier and earlier since at least the 1970's... and I don't know whether to blame it on environmental or agricultural reasons. At one time, it was thought all the soy (thus, estrogen) in our diet was causing these adverse effects. I haven't heard anything about it for so long, it's like they just kind of dropped the whole thing and are letting "nature take its course" as well as let men follow up on it.

And, to be honest... I see a lot of it where the male of species is concerned, too. If the action or event is bad, these are "men" but if it's rape-related or otherwise like that, then it's just "boys being boys." We've got a very screwed up sense of gender, sex, and age among people. The Puritans did us no good in demanding their ideas be adopted as Mainstsream.

Because I see absolutely NO evidence ...
That there is any degree of angst in the public about this at all.

Why the capitalized, bolded, and underlined “no” and the ellipsis? It’s not going to take a whole lot of needle moving for this to be a problem. The photos in question are allegedly worse than the trump with half naked teenage girls photos Wolf said he has seen. If these photos exist and the content is confirmed, I have to believe the needle will move. How much, I don’t know. Also, evidence is just something that supports the likelihood of something being true. It doesn’t have to establish truth. The only way we generally get to the truth is by keepindiggin.

So - don't know where that comes from ...
and 2) political football (or warfare) - is the game afoot - and I will give full marks for the operatives that have kept this front and center. More power to 'em! (Even while continuing to maintain that the larger body politic - just doesn't seem to be particularly moved. To any significant degree.) But - if 'more and worse' should happen to come on the scene - perhaps that equation changes? Perhaps. I guess one can always hope ... But again, it's going to require more than a few nuddy pictures.

3) And as far as any sort of 'action' or consequence against 47 ... The only remaining conceivable recourse there is the (very theoretical) chance of another impeachment effort (should all the stars align in the sky) - and I'm not at all sure there is appetite for that, either inside or outside of Congress. Particularly in light of the American voter seeing fit to 'reinstall' the man to office a second time around .. ? So, in essence - we're playing a game of can we hang this on the GOP (because Trump himself isn't going to be effected) - to the extent that it will cost them dearly, both now and into the future? With, again - somewhat uncertain prospect ...

And thems' my thoughts on the subject ...

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I, in fact, did misread, it doesn’t say photos, but refers to something worse whether photos or not. I think my point stands regardless of the form of this “worse” evidence. “ A few GOP house members say they’ve heard from FBI/DOJ contacts that the Epstein files (with copies in different agencies) are worse than Michael Wolff’s description of Epstein photos showing Trump with half naked teenage girls," Shuster wrote.” I do see the needle moving if this is the case and the people have access to the info.
I do agree with your assessments in your reply while being perhaps a little more optimistic if more damaging info gets released. I do think, absent extremely damaging news, that impeachment is off the table. I do hope if released, it’s damaging enough to help weaken the unquestioned support of the Trump administration’s policies by the Republican politicians. Political victory is often a game of inches. I’m hoping the Democratic Party is able to grab some real estate back.

him brought to real or just account. History will have to serve as our final measure of justice?

Millions and millions of people

with the mentions of Epstein being in a negligible minority. (seriously ! It just wasn't a big issue with the people around me.) A useful cudgel to give the Rupubs a good smack ... Maybe. But other than that ...

Honestly sounds like it isn't an issue for you. Those aren't just "nuddy pictures". They are evidence of girls being trafficked, raped and taken advantage of.

in imputing things (and motivation) that you simply have no way of legitimately knowing - but also no (rightful or honest) way of judging. Saying that this does not appear to be moving the needle greatly with the public - does not in ANY way imply ... What you so crudely do.

In this case, you would be not only way off base - but also way out of line. In future - please argue your points and opinion - and refrain from the personal smears. Thanks.

Game over.

coming forward to say he'd done something like that to them.

He was elected AGAIN after conviction on 34 felony counts, AND being adjudicated a ******* rapist in practically any other state but NY.

You think a pic that's released with black lines across boobs and blurred out faces from 25+ years ago, with Trump in it, and some people saying "yup, they actually look pretty young, trust us!" will be enough for it to be "game over" for Trump?

I wish I had your faith that Teflon Don the Known Felon Rapist (before his elections) could be taken down by something like that, I'll leave it at that.

Reminds me of the sign at some of the protests -
Honk if you're NOT in the Epstein files.

If they are late teens, it won't make a difference. If they are 13-15, it sure will though.

out on the Epstein story including some related photos I am assuming young “girls” as opposed to women.

And god knows his KKKult would still worship him.

The question now, of course, is- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
This is a moment, a chance to turn history, and run his worthless ass out of office!
Can those righteous 'christians' support a child molesting serial RAPIST?
Push it ! Demand! They can't hide it now!

Where are all those guys now? This has to come out, and they know it and we know it.

Obviously Pam Blondi isn't part of the Washington Boys Club, and I'm sure that's part of the problem. But the longer they drag this out, the worse it's going to get.

1) Bondi will never release these pictures, because she will instantly be out of a job, and the Shady 6 will not make her do so ,

2) Even if she did, there's no way the photos will be released showing the girls faces because they are likely to be trafficking victims (and minors presumably at least some of them). Therefore, the GQP will furiously spin that "nobody has any way of knowing their ages" ,

3) Even if they are known somehow to be under 18 without the faces showing, the GQP and their whole media ecosystem (and I'm sure our compliant M$M will play along) will immediately act in unison to shift blame to Biden/Garland: "So, the Biden administration had these pictures for 4 years, and NEVER TOLD US?!? The Public might not have elected Trump if we'd seen the pictures!". That kind of bullshit. They will be ALL OVER trying to shift the narrative/focus to Biden over it if these pics were released. Guarantee they've already gamed it out.

Unfortunately, if we want to see the serious consequences we are all hoping for, there probably has to be an actual woman who comes forward and says she had sex with Trump because of his association with Epstein, who puts her name and face to the claim, appears credible, and says she's ready to testify. Otherwise the best we'd probably get is he loses 10-15% of approval, and the GQP congresspeople and SCOTUS probably stop kissing his ass quite so much.

That's just my sad and distressed, but I think realistic, opinion

?

But it's been over 20 years and nobody has said that

exactly WHAT THE FUCK IS HE TRYING TO HIDE

it has to be RELLY FUCKING BAD

Not only did he DEFINITELY know what Epstein was up to and keep it to himself, I think that birthday card was a blackmail threat. Another thing Wolff has mentioned is that Epstein told him he knew Trump was laundering money for the Russians through his FL properties back around 2000. I think that birthday card said: "I know about your pervy shit with underage girls, so you keep your mouth shut about my money laundering for the Russkies. Let's keep each others SECRETS, friend"

Think about it, if there's ONE thing IQ47 is good at, it's crime-ing. You think he would expose himself by putting it in the card, in writing like that, if it was REALLY about the two of them having sex with minors? Because I don't.

There's also the fact that all of the 20-some women who accused him of groping and fondling and kissing without an invite were all women at the time. He's a vile rapist, and an abuser of women, but I don't know that he's an abuser of literal girls. There's just not evidence of that. I'll say "yet" because that might turn out to be wrong, of course, but I wouldn't bet money on it based on what is known.

Anyways, if there's a LOT more stuff suggesting Trump knew damn well, and said nothing? He doesn't want that known. And he DEFINITELY doesn't want it known he tried to blackmail Epstein because he was laundering Russian money.

MHO, fwiw.

I think that is pretty much a given.

Number of those women (then, 15-17 yo) who said Epstein paid them for sex with him (and Maxwell in some cases): 15
Number of those victims who ever publicly said they had sex with someone ELSE, because Epstein introduced her to them and asked them to/paid them to: 1
Number of those victims who said they had sex with Trump: 0

For me, the math here just does not support the assertion that it is "a given". For me, it's POSSIBLE to be sure. But I've said my guess WRT what he's really afraid of having "come out" in the files. He didn't just know and not say anything. He USED that knowledge to his personal benefit. Not AS bad as screwing the kids personally, but pretty fuckin bad. I guarantee he didn't GAF what his buddy was doing, that much I know we can agree on, at least

Maybe in time, we'll discover which of our logic brought them closer to the truth. Not AT ALL saying you're incorrect, let me be very clear my friend We ALL KNOW he's dirty as fuck, and deserves JAIL, regardless!!!!

he is disgusting

look how many people are covering for any info to get out - who the fuck knows what is in there but THIS is a true given - it's something REALLY SICKENING

from the Biden/Garland DoJ.

Which means I think if there is REALLY SICK shit about Trump himself within those files? They should have found a way to let the public know. Hinted it, leaked it, etc. Otherwise I have to be really f****** pissed at them, like it's their fault the country is in this mess. And then the media will turn around and make the story all about "why didn't the Biden DoJ act on this information?" type of thing. I don't look forward to that.

Maybe I just don't want to believe there's bonafide evidence Trump is a child molester, and Merrick did sweet fuck all about it. Too sad to ponder for me.

Video of:

a) Him violently raping a 13 year old

b) Him raping his young daughter

c) Him and JE &/or GM raaping young girls

d) Him killing someone

e) All of the above

and the fact that SO many people are willing to cover for him is sickening beyond belief

That's true.

Probably also shows the network of trafficking and money laundering through the fashion shows and beauty contests and everyone who was financially involved... which will be a rude awakening for us all. I'm sure this will shake the foundations of what people believe about their celebrities and who they really are. It's going to make people really look at themselves and how they value the sexualization of everything in advertising.

And I'm sure that there are many elected officials who will be exposed as participants, including some of their spouses.

There has to be something in there that will totally sink him, enough to erode his support from all, but the most fanatical.

Otherwise why go to such major efforts to keep it buried?

... we do have the written testimony of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a proven under-age victim of Epstein and Maxwell.

I believe other women (former victims) have allowed their names to be used for an eventual class-action lawsuit of Epstein victims. I don't know whether any of those women interacted with Chump or if they can be called "victims" of Chump. Virginia Giuffre herself never had relations with him. In fact she was shown photos of Chump and asked whether she'd seen him on Epstein's plane or at his mansions in Palm Beach or the Virgin Islands. As I understand it, Giuffre wasn't sure who he was in the photos, and she didn't remember seeing him at Epstein's properties. We don't know how the other women would testify, if it would be enough to convict Chump? Nobody knows.

I believe some of those women who are willing to testify, might give better proof of Chump's involvement with underage girls. If the Epstein victims' class-action suit ever comes to trial, it would open the floodgates. At that point all of the Epstein documents will come out, including photos and videos.

There's already been LOT'S of suits from these victims, and from the USVI. There's been between $500 and $600 MILLION DOLLARS paid out (or marked to be paid) to the victims (and to various organizations fighting trafficking) from both his estate, and from JPMC. Virginia Guiffre sued multiple people. Other victims have sued Epstein and Maxwell. The DoJ prosecuted Maxwell.

I'm confused where your hope comes from that there's going to be some new revelation from court case number 8 or 10 or however many this one your talking about would be?

I don't know if those same victims are now going to sue Maxwell. She was involved with the lawsuit from Giuffre and it was settled privately. It's the other victims who were left out of the lawsuits against Epstein and Maxwell.

Julie K. Brown, the investigative journalist from the Miami Herald, has interviewed and written about these women. I don't know the status of the lawsuit though. Apparently the victims are working to get the Epstein documents released, and I'm sure there are lawyers involved.

Depending on severity of the claim, awards between mid-6 to low-7 digits. The estate also paid the USVI on the order of $135M, with $10M allocated towards mental health services for survivors. The USVI also sued (and settled with) JPMC for $75M, and Leon Black (Epstein associate) for about $20M. A victims group also sued (and settled without going to trial) JPMC for $290M because they failed to follow regulations and report Epstein's suspicious cash withdrawals that the victims allege was used to pay them. Also one of their employees Jes Staley was handling Epstein's account and emails uncovered showed they had some weirdly coded, seemingly sexually related discussion, and that people higher in the organization seemed to know Epstein was into teen girls and ignoring it so they could keep managing his millions.

These victims have been well-paid, many are multi-millionaires, and there's been a lot of court cases already. Now they want to also go after some other banks (like the one that had been run by a Mellon family scion) for similar reasons, but I think again it will likely be settled rather than litigated, as all the others were. Well, they all were aside from Giuffre's 2015 case against Maxwell, which is literally the only solid evidence that a girl was 'shared' by Epstein with others, and is in fact the genesis of the whole "pedo cabal" conspiracy theory

I don't hold out much hope that any civil suit is likely to bring out new incriminating evidence, esp. not against Trump. These banks are just rolling over because they don't want the bad press brought by fighting Epstein victims, and because they don't want it exposed that they looked the other way because they were greedy, and even broke reporting requirements.

Maybe I'm proven wrong in these suppositions though. Here's to hoping we get the full truth someday!

not only was he part of the operation, he probably funded a portion of it.

piece of shit on the heal of a piece of shit.

He was more of a partner in Epstein's "business" than a client.

The proof is building.

Plus the connection to money laundering.

Then came the blackmail and money laundering.

Who knows what role she played - and if we'll ever find out anything for sure!

Maybe when Cheato is out of office.

I.e. the abuse from Epstein supposedly came 3-4 years before the young lady was in Miss USA. This just came out recently (or maybe it was recently brought up again) so I remember the story from like 5 days ago

he is SCUM

Is really Q from Qanon. That ought to make some heads explode.

Too bad RimJob isn't still around for this, and for that.

Raw Story with the clickbait bullshit

The DOJ knows what the GOP thinks?

that was withdrawn because of death threats to her.

Also Wolff said the young topless girls were pointing and laughing about a stain on the front of Trump's pants. Maybe there are photos of some of these young girls helping him make that stain?

Trump is an entitled aggressive prick. None of this would be out of character for him.

If there were a video it would have come out by now. That's my thought. Plus there's the issue of male vanity. I mean how many guys would agree to having sex with an underage girl ON VIDEO? Especially someone with a (rumored) mushroom-shaped penis? I just can't see him agreeing to that or letting himself be taped. It's one thing to be taped fully clothed and talking about it, but quite another to be unclothed and actually doing it.

That's a trump nightmare, fer sure.

What's worse than pictures of young naked girls in trump's lap..... I'm thinking video of him actually raping young girls. Maybe while Epstein eggs him on.

that's libel.

He apparently worked for Faux for 6 years, starting right around the time of their creation in 1996.

epstine was busted by trump. Therefore, the blackmailer (epstine?) was arrested by the victim of blackmail (trump?) so the victim of the blackmail could get all the evidence from the blackmailer. Now the victim of blackmail (trump?) has become the blackmailer (trump?) since he's has all the evidence and all of the other victims of blackmail photos and list of people involved. If trump has been russian mob owned for years then not only does he now knows epstine's victims of blackmail evidence but now putin also has it. So there are many high income people are now 'owned' by putin and netanjaho who have evidence or aided epstine. There is no more evidence that we can see because trump took it all when he raided epstine's home and buisnesses.

His estate has still been dribbling stuff out...

1) Trump trafficked girls through his pagents and 'fed' those girls to Epstein/Maxwell.
2) Trump associated, 'played' (I just threw up in my mouth a bit) will other rich, untouchable pedophiles.
3) Trump raped girls, with a preference for girls who looked like Ivanka. He has confessed this many times, if you listen...
4) Trump raped Ivanka.

we remain in danger that they will CONTINUE to be used to blackmail Epstein "clients" into facilitating the goals of whoever possesses the files – goals likely to be against the interests of the rest of us.

This is perhaps my main concern, and it can't be eased unless and until the files are made public.