put out by any branch of the Trump government.

and the Trump Administration wouldn't dare overstep their authority by influencing the personnel or information put out by another agency....

Wow! The naivete in understanding where we are under our current dictatorship is fucking astounding.

I have actually seen people on this site say things like "Well, they can't do THAT, because it would be against the law."

Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!

The ADP will be whatever in the hell Trump wants it to be----or it will be gone.

72,867
U.S. Census Bureau (2023)
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/16000US3734200-jacksonville-nc/

Chicken feed.

I'd also be inclined to think they would (very rarely) allow release a 'bad/neutral' report just to get everyone to bite off on the phony ones.

This administration has tin-foil hats flying off the shelves. Sad thing is you do not even need one anymore.

Two things:

1) The number of jobs created is below "replacement" level of what needs to be generated to just stay even.
2) These initial reports are subject to revision as more data comes in.

without regard to the truth of origin.

That is my belief.

Believing only negative news is as big a mistake as believing only positive news.

as it reinforces my own feelings" Now who does that sound like? It certainly doesn't sound like any Democrat I want to be associated with...

I wish people would stop talking about this "X number of jobs to break even" idea, which is a rule of thumb about the size of the labor force. It's not constant, it's not "150k a month". It depends on population growth, which is largely due to immigration, and the labor force participation rate, which has declined over the decades due to the aging population.

Right now, this year may end up as the first year in a century where the population of the US doesn't grow. You can't employ someone that doesn't exist.

This year is not the year for "rule of thumb" economic analysis.

The degree to which the current job market absorbs it will be reflected in the unemployment rates, as always. In 20 years, the effects of a population flatline will definitely impact the available labor force. Until then we'll see a gradual decline, no doubt, but that 42000 looks pretty damn anemic to me.

There may or may not be any relationship to actual national figures. The press routinely highlights their reports only because they are released before the true BLS numbers which are now conveniently withheld "because of the shutdown." Of course, even if that were not the case, any BLS numbers, if or when they're actually released, will be considered fabrications now that trump installed one of his stooges after tantrum-firing Erika McEntarfer because she had the audacity to release accurate/embarrassing figures for July.

Especially because the messenger was a woman. Hateful fat bastard-in-chief.

ADP is reporting figures only from its customers, not the country as a whole. The BLS figures are (or were) the gold standard but, alas, we won't be getting those anymore (or at least reliable ones.)

If/when we start getting BLS figures again, they won't be trustworthy.

prior to this was justification for many on the right to say that the Biden admin #s were all faked for political reasons.

I've read things from "accepted" media sources that still ignore those revisions. Even if the revisions produce a picture of the economy that accounts for a lot of the attitudes among the electorate for the last 2 years.

Could you clarify? When you say ADP is a "player", do you mean they are distorting the numbers ("playing" with the numbers) or do you mean they are observers but actively, closely, accurately observing?

from the absurd taxation and payroll system that has been created. A vested interest perhaps.

tRUMP the fraud king. How's the orange fatso gonna spin this bit of horrific news? Will the billionaire oligarchs that own our once open News sources even report on it?

though I make no claim of accuracy nor incompetence within those for-profit numbers; ratings agencies were not unique in providing the desired responses to traders.

So I know it's growing at least a little.

Hey more people have jobs. Good.