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mahatmakanejeeves

(67,480 posts)
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:43 PM Nov 3

Sharp drop in electric vehicle sales in the US after the end of federal credits

Source: Market Screener

Sharp drop in electric vehicle sales in the US after the end of federal credits

Esteban Tesson
Published on 11/03/2025 at 12:34 pm EST



Sales of 100% electric vehicles fell sharply in the United States in October, a direct consequence of the elimination of the federal tax credit of up to $7,500. Ford, Hyundai, and Kia were among the hardest-hit manufacturers, with declines of up to 80% compared to the previous month. At Ford, EV sales fell 25% year-on-year, with the Mustang Mach-E (-12%) and F-150 Lightning (-17%) models particularly affected.

Hyundai and Kia experienced even steeper declines, particularly for the Ioniq 5 (-80%) and Ioniq 9 (-71%) models. This sharp correction follows a period of strong demand driven by the final days of eligibility for the federal credit. Hyundai and Ford executives had anticipated such a decline, estimating that the market share of electric vehicles could fall to 5%, down from 10%-12% previously. Despite this contraction, sales of hybrid vehicles are growing, supported by a partial disengagement from the 100% electric market.

Tesla and General Motors continue to dominate the US EV market with 43.1% and 13.8% market share, respectively. However, the third quarter set a record with 438,487 electric vehicles sold, up 40.7% from the previous quarter. Initial data for October suggests a more difficult Q4, marked by a structural decline in the market in the absence of federal tax support.

Read more: https://www.marketscreener.com/news/sharp-drop-in-electric-vehicle-sales-in-the-us-after-the-end-of-federal-credits-ce7d5cd9d18df020



Hat tip, the 3:00 p.m. CBS Radio News, heard on WTOP
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Sharp drop in electric vehicle sales in the US after the end of federal credits (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Nov 3 OP
Certainly expected Miguelito Loveless Nov 4 #1
Maybe it will hit a momentary blip for a little while Polybius Nov 4 #2
Unlikely, Miguelito Loveless Nov 4 #5
Strongly disagree Polybius Nov 7 #8
I personally have been waiting on Musk Miguelito Loveless Monday #13
Regarding the $7,500 credit that ended... Polybius Nov 4 #3
they were terminated in the disastrous Reconciliation Bill. maxsolomon Nov 4 #4
Was that passed with 60+ votes? Polybius Nov 7 #9
No. maxsolomon Monday #14
car makers can make up the slack RussBLib Nov 4 #6
Hopefully, Musk does it Polybius Nov 7 #10
can you imagine all the good he could do with that amount of money? RussBLib Nov 7 #11
I view him as a complicated character Polybius Nov 8 #12
That will be tough madville Monday #15
I wonder how great the impact would be if the hybrid becomes karynnj Nov 5 #7
Electric cars are not going to save the world. hunter Monday #16

Miguelito Loveless

(5,356 posts)
1. Certainly expected
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 11:06 AM
Nov 4

But we can expect legacy car makers to back away from EVs as fast as they can. Tesla will remain, since it is all electric, but its sales will plummet. Sales are already crashing in the EU, and China will soon push them out of the market.

Polybius

(21,175 posts)
2. Maybe it will hit a momentary blip for a little while
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 11:41 AM
Nov 4

But Tesla will rebound soon in the future.

Miguelito Loveless

(5,356 posts)
5. Unlikely,
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 03:33 PM
Nov 4

Musk has pretty much trashed the brand and failed to deliver too many times. It is now a meme stock, trading about an order of magnitude or more above its actual value. California is now after it for fraud, and it lost a major lawsuit about a month ago to the tune of a quarter of a billion, and been found to have hidden evidence. This is opening up the flood gates for other liability suits. At some point, there will also be a class action suit by owners who paid for FSD and will never get it.

Polybius

(21,175 posts)
8. Strongly disagree
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:54 PM
Nov 7

The Model Y is the world's best selling car, and they deliver just fine (although Musk is a bit too optimistic at times). Tesla will continue to rise and be the world's leader in EV's.

Not sure what you mean by this:

At some point, there will also be a class action suit by owners who paid for FSD and will never get it.


Where I'm at, if you pay, you get it. No sense arguing though. Just bookmark and come back here in 3 years and see where we're at.

Miguelito Loveless

(5,356 posts)
13. I personally have been waiting on Musk
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:07 AM
Monday

to make good on his promises since 2018. FSD went Beta in 2020 and still doesn't work 5 years later. I have seen dozens of updates in that time, and my M3 still makes the same mistakes in exactly the same places despite the updates. So, no actual progress. Tesla has admitted that HW3 will NOT be able to run FSD, even if they figure it out, and they will not update the hardware to what is needed. They have also tacitly admitted that HW4 will not work either, and Musk is not talking about chips for HW6 and beyond, while still having failed to deliver FSD.

Tesla has been caught lying to courts about data on crashes, which is one reason they lost the suit for a quarter of a billion dollars.

Add to all of this that Musk is becoming more erratic due to delusional thinking, drug use, and his embrace of fascist/Nazi ideology, plus his literal attempts to incite insurrection in the US, UK, and Germany, and I see a company with no future.

Oh, and he went to China, trained all of the local engineers on Tesla's proprietary tech, who then left to take that IP to Chinese companies where they are now making better, cheaper EVs than Tesla.

maxsolomon

(37,820 posts)
4. they were terminated in the disastrous Reconciliation Bill.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 01:41 PM
Nov 4

repukes want the earth to burn because it will hasten Jesus' return, so they chose to subsidize oil & gas instead.

RussBLib

(10,348 posts)
6. car makers can make up the slack
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 03:48 PM
Nov 4

...or try to. Each maker could probably cut their prices somewhat to approach that $7,500 credit.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

RussBLib

(10,348 posts)
11. can you imagine all the good he could do with that amount of money?
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 11:04 PM
Nov 7

oh, wait, never mind, we're talking about Elon Musk.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

Polybius

(21,175 posts)
12. I view him as a complicated character
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:32 AM
Nov 8

For all of his faults with his political beliefs, his two biggest companies (Tesla and SpaceX) helped the environment and science tremendously. He also wants the Epstein files released.

madville

(7,834 posts)
15. That will be tough
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:23 PM
Monday

Most U.S. sellers except Tesla are already losing money on each EV they sell, many will focus on lease deals instead. The depreciation is so horrible on EVs now that leasing is the smarter option anyway if one drives less than 12k miles a year.

karynnj

(60,682 posts)
7. I wonder how great the impact would be if the hybrid becomes
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:01 AM
Nov 5

the majority of new cars. For some, a plug in hybrid could become in actual use an EV. This would lead to a decline in gasoline used.

As a non engineer, I wonder if research on better electric systems on hybrids would also improve the EV motors that could be offered in the future.

Obviously, the future should be with EVs. We clearly can't get federal subsidies under Trump, but the car companies, like all companies manufacturing anything people use for long periods of time, need to focus on both where they need to be now and in the future.

hunter

(40,196 posts)
16. Electric cars are not going to save the world.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
Monday

What we really need to do is abandon our car culture. We need to turn our cities into attractive affordable places where car ownership is unnecessary.

Owning a car is an environmentally destructive, expensive, pain-in-the-ass at best. At worst it's a nightmare, especially when you are forced to drive a barely reliable old car to and from some crappy job just to survive, knowing that any major mechanical breakdown might leave you and your family homeless and hungry.

I resent that I am forced to own a car to be considered a fully functional adult in this society. Owning a car is not a freedom, it's a fucking ball and chain. People spend most of their lives confined to places within a few hundred feet of a filthy roadway trashed by automobiles.

By the way, fuck Elon Musk. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, he's done to make the world a better place. He's an opportunist, a grifter, a racist, a misogynist, and a destroyer of earth's natural environment. May I live long enough to read his obituary.

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