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BumRushDaShow

(163,346 posts)
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 03:54 AM Nov 2

Michigan Lawyer Says The Halloween Terror Plot That FBI Director Kash Patel Described Never Existed

Source: Huff Post/AP

Nov 1, 2025, 04:52 PM EDT


A Michigan defense lawyer is disputing FBI allegations that his 20-year-old client and four other young suspects were planning to carry out a terror attack on Halloween weekend. Authorities with the FBI and in Michigan have offered few details about the case, however as he announced the arrests on Friday, FBI Director Kash Patel said more information would be released. Spokespersons for the state and national FBI and the U.S. Attorney in Detroit did not immediately respond to messages Saturday.

The investigation involved discussion in an online chat room involving at least some of the suspects who were taken into custody, according to two people briefed on the investigation who could not publicly discuss details. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The group allegedly discussed carrying out an attack around Halloween, referring to “pumpkin day,” according to one of the people. The other person briefed on the investigation confirmed that there had been a “pumpkin” reference.

However, lawyer Amir Makled, who represents a man from the suburb of Dearborn who was being detained Saturday, told The Detroit News that he doesn’t believe his client or the four other people who were questioned by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force should be charged. The all-male group of U.S. citizens ranges in age from 16-20, Makled said.

“This is not a terrorist cell,” Makled told The News. “There was never any planned mass-casualty event or terrorism plot of any kind that I’m aware of. They might have been on some websites or online chat groups that they shouldn’t have been, but nothing that is illegal.” Makled did not immediately respond to messages from the AP seeking comment on Saturday.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-michigan-arrests-halloween-plot-kash-patel_n_6906720de4b05a8637e7c3f3?origin=home-whats-happening-unit

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Michigan Lawyer Says The Halloween Terror Plot That FBI Director Kash Patel Described Never Existed (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2 OP
Pretty much... 2naSalit Nov 2 #1
You're not the only one. calimary Nov 2 #2
They were disguised as Mutant Ninja Turtles BidenRocks Nov 2 #3
The Trump Crime Syndicate always lies, always commits crimes. Irish_Dem Nov 2 #4
Kash needed snowybirdie Nov 2 #5
+1 dalton99a Nov 2 #8
As everyone suspected... travelingthrulife Nov 2 #6
The first time I read about it, it sounded so bs kimbutgar Nov 2 #7
To point out the obvious..... JohnnyRingo Nov 2 #9
"That's what grand juries are for." BumRushDaShow Nov 2 #11
I get it, but a GJ is only the first hurdle in the justice system JohnnyRingo Nov 2 #13
Oh sure BumRushDaShow Nov 2 #16
Can they hold a grand jury after someone has been arrested and charged? FakeNoose Nov 2 #18
Your "avatars"? with Piglet an Poo made me laugh out loud. The rest are great as well. ED Evolve Dammit Nov 2 #21
Yes, a grand jury can be held after a person has been arrested and charged reACTIONary Nov 2 #25
Thanks ... I learned something today FakeNoose Nov 2 #26
Yeah, we should wait for a trial. But that's not our style: ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2 #19
And to point out a subtlety.... reACTIONary Nov 2 #23
I wouldn't trust that claim no matter who was in charge. malthaussen Nov 2 #10
I have heard Halloween referred to as 'pumpkin day' forever ToxMarz Nov 2 #12
Trumpkin Day BattleRow Nov 2 #24
Maybe their online chat was planning to attack extra-large pizzas on Halloween. Vinca Nov 2 #14
What a member of this administration lying to us. republianmushroom Nov 2 #15
Patel and Boing Boing pfitz59 Nov 2 #17
Patel is a Republican... GiqueCee Nov 2 #20
And if we actually have something along these lines.... paleotn Nov 2 #22
It's almost like they are afraid of real dangerous people. 1WorldHope Nov 2 #27
May have been real Johnny2X2X Nov 3 #28

2naSalit

(98,926 posts)
1. Pretty much...
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 03:57 AM
Nov 2

As I suspected.

I hope these fucking nazis get their karma before I leave the planet, I really want to see that.

Irish_Dem

(77,969 posts)
4. The Trump Crime Syndicate always lies, always commits crimes.
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 06:04 AM
Nov 2

And accuses everyone else of doing the same.

kimbutgar

(26,491 posts)
7. The first time I read about it, it sounded so bs
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 09:56 AM
Nov 2

Kash was desperate to change the subject of him using the government jet for a date night and said look over there and not at my wrongdoing.

JohnnyRingo

(20,276 posts)
9. To point out the obvious.....
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 10:37 AM
Nov 2

It's their defense lawyer. He has to say they're innocent. It's literally his job whether or not they actually are.

Considering this administration and Keystone Kash's reputation that may be true, but better to wait until more information comes out before making conclusions. That's what grand juries are for.

BumRushDaShow

(163,346 posts)
11. "That's what grand juries are for."
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 10:50 AM
Nov 2

Like the one that indicted NY AG Letitia James?

(remember, grand juries are only given "one side" because they are actually establishing "charges" versus what is typical that come from LEOs who actually witness a crime)

JohnnyRingo

(20,276 posts)
13. I get it, but a GJ is only the first hurdle in the justice system
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 11:14 AM
Nov 2

They may well be innocent. I'm not to judge. I'm just saying a defense lawyer is going to say they are regardless, and before demanding their release we should learn more. -If we're allowed before a GJ hears it.

Trump's defense lawyers made that plea 37 times.

BumRushDaShow

(163,346 posts)
16. Oh sure
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 11:43 AM
Nov 2

But we are in a different "universe" with different "rules" and the oft-projected "rigging" is now being carried out by those who accused "us" of such.

FakeNoose

(39,493 posts)
18. Can they hold a grand jury after someone has been arrested and charged?
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 01:01 PM
Nov 2

That's a new one on me.

reACTIONary

(6,851 posts)
25. Yes, a grand jury can be held after a person has been arrested and charged
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 06:24 PM
Nov 2

Yes, a grand jury can be held after a person has been arrested and charged, as grand juries are often used to secure an indictment before a felony trial, even after an arrest.In many jurisdictions, a grand jury indictment is required for felony charges. Even if charges have been filed, a prosecutor will still present the evidence to a grand jury to secure the necessary indictment.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,486 posts)
19. Yeah, we should wait for a trial. But that's not our style: ...
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 02:13 PM
Nov 2

We didn't wait for a trial to condemn Biden and seek his exit from the 2024 race.

We didn't wait for a trial to condemn Al Franken and seek his exit from the senate.

At least for this group, there might be a trial. Hegseth could have simply dropped some bombs on the houses and be done with it.

reACTIONary

(6,851 posts)
23. And to point out a subtlety....
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 06:18 PM
Nov 2

.... he added "that I'm aware of", something of a weasel worded phrase.

malthaussen

(18,316 posts)
10. I wouldn't trust that claim no matter who was in charge.
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 10:43 AM
Nov 2

Most of these soi-disant "terrorist plots" are either fantasies of law enforcement, or worse, entrapment operations that are actually started by law enforcement. Because they don't want to admit that US Citizens are infinitely more likely to be killed by a redneck with a rifle than a foreign terrorist.

-- Mal

Vinca

(53,027 posts)
14. Maybe their online chat was planning to attack extra-large pizzas on Halloween.
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 11:15 AM
Nov 2

If they're the right color, it's enough for this administration.

GiqueCee

(3,029 posts)
20. Patel is a Republican...
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 02:32 PM
Nov 2

... therefore he is a liar. Only lies can support or defend such a diseased belief system.

paleotn

(21,175 posts)
22. And if we actually have something along these lines....
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 03:44 PM
Nov 2

It will go unnoticed until it's too late. Simply due to this regimes gross incompetence.

1WorldHope

(1,784 posts)
27. It's almost like they are afraid of real dangerous people.
Sun Nov 2, 2025, 09:42 PM
Nov 2

I don't mean extremely dangerous, I mean real dangerous compared to, not fucking dangerous at all!!!

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