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BumRushDaShow

(163,458 posts)
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 02:02 PM Oct 18

Leaked memo shows bizarre weather conspiracy theory being taken seriously by government

Source: Raw Story

October 18, 2025 7:35AM ET


While plowing a wheat field in rural Washington state in the 1990s, William Wallace spotted a gray plane overhead that he believed was releasing chemicals to make him sick. The rancher began to suspect that all white vapor trails from aircraft might be dangerous. He shared his concern with reporters, acknowledging it sounded a little like “The X Files,” a science fiction television show.

Academics cite Wallace’s story as one of the catalysts behind a fringe concept that has spread among adherents to the Make America Healthy Again, or MAHA, movement and is gaining traction at the highest levels of the federal government. Its treatment as a serious issue underscores that under President Donald Trump, unscientific ideas have unusual power to take hold and shape public health policy.

The concept posits that airplane vapor trails, or contrails, are really “chemtrails” containing toxic substances that poison people and the terrain. Another version alleges planes or devices are being deployed by the federal government, private companies, or researchers to trigger big weather changes, such as hurricanes, or to alter the Earth’s climate, emitting hazardous chemicals in the process.

Several GOP lawmakers and leaders in the Trump administration remain convinced the concepts are legitimate, though scientists have sought to discredit such claims. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is planning to investigate climate and weather control, and is expected to create a task force that will recommend possible federal action, according to a former agency official, an internal agency memo obtained by KFF Health News, and a consultant who helped with the memo.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/weather-2674206192/





(that is part and parcel of the GQP - "Epstein and pedophiles", "Chemtrails and weather control", "Jewish space lasers", "microchips in vaccines", etc)
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Leaked memo shows bizarre weather conspiracy theory being taken seriously by government (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 18 OP
These people are so weird. love_katz Oct 18 #1
Leaded gas - nice reference. This and flat earth seemed to come from the same people underpants Oct 18 #3
They're going to have to move the movie "Idiocracy" from Comedy to Documentaries catbyte Oct 18 #2
Pffftttui ReRe Oct 18 #27
Anyone remember this? I think I first saw it here... keep_left Oct 18 #4
Whether or not it was on DU, I can see that Brainworm Bob accused DARPA of nefarious spraying, back in May muriel_volestrangler Oct 18 #11
Republicans are in charge of the government, and Old Testament Libera Oct 18 #16
My batshit paranoia is better than your proven science. ananda Oct 18 #5
They walk among us JoseBalow Oct 18 #6
People are saying that those chemicals are also used... IcyPeas Oct 18 #15
Do chemtrails come out of Putin's ass? JoseBalow Oct 18 #18
The water vapor IS full of pollutants Ponietz Oct 18 #7
Jet fuel combustion byproducts Old Testament Libera Oct 18 #17
It is very toxic Ponietz Oct 18 #20
They put biocides in jet fuel and wonder why insects are dying off and cancer rates climb Ponietz Oct 19 #33
O F'chrissake! rambler_american Oct 18 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Oct 18 #9
These people are SERIOUS scientism types: AZ8theist Oct 18 #10
It"s only funny when the believers represent a tiny, tiny minority RVN VET71 Oct 18 #12
Here's the memo - it's completely batshit muriel_volestrangler Oct 18 #13
You know if there was a big conspiracy to spread dangerous or malicious chemicals ToxMarz Oct 18 #14
Hot Air Balloons BidenRocks Oct 18 #21
We are the party of environmental safeguards! BidenRocks Oct 18 #19
Well, when you spend day after day Aussie105 Oct 18 #22
LOL popsdenver Oct 18 #23
The Government have already steered Hurricanes and Tomatoes into... chouchou Oct 18 #24
I remember a Tornado or was it a Tomato in Chicago Zackzzzz Oct 18 #28
Welcome to DU chouchou Oct 19 #36
... eppur_se_muova Oct 19 #29
let look behidn the picture DonCoquixote Oct 18 #25
So, to spray that amount in chemicals tonekat Oct 18 #26
This paragraph says it all Layzeebeaver Oct 19 #30
didn't we prove this was emission from the cabin toilet system? n/t rampartd Oct 19 #31
What is the source of these malicious chemicals? bluedigger Oct 19 #32
Hmm MoseShrute Oct 19 #34
Science doesn't care what you beleive. nt Hotler Oct 19 #35

love_katz

(3,182 posts)
1. These people are so weird.
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 02:11 PM
Oct 18

They must be huffing straight from the tail pipes of vintage cars. Just...wow. Chemtrails...

underpants

(193,932 posts)
3. Leaded gas - nice reference. This and flat earth seemed to come from the same people
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 02:26 PM
Oct 18

and I became aware of them at the same time.

Prince believed in chemtrails.

catbyte

(38,306 posts)
2. They're going to have to move the movie "Idiocracy" from Comedy to Documentaries
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 02:18 PM
Oct 18

Christ on a cracker.

keep_left

(3,119 posts)
4. Anyone remember this? I think I first saw it here...
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 02:52 PM
Oct 18

...along with commentary from MTG/RFK Jr/whoever regaling us with various and sundry tales of weather-control experiments, Rothschild space lasers, mind-control 5G towers, etc.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,229 posts)
11. Whether or not it was on DU, I can see that Brainworm Bob accused DARPA of nefarious spraying, back in May
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 04:37 PM
Oct 18
RFK Jr. said a government arm is spraying the sky with jet fuel chemicals. That's a lie

During a town hall hosted by TV personality Phil McGraw, known as Dr. Phil, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said that one of the Defense Department’s research and development arms might be spraying Americans with harmful chemicals.
...
"My biggest concern is the stratospheric aerosol injections that are continuously peppered on us every day," she said. "Bromium, aluminum, strontium — it’s sprayed in our skies all day long."
...
"That is not happening in my agency. We don’t do that. It’s done, we think, by DARPA," Kennedy responded, referring to the Defense Department’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. "And a lot of it now is coming out of the jet fuel. You know, those materials are put in jet fuel. I’m going to do everything in my power to stop it."
...
Kennedy said DARPA is spraying the skies with chemicals that are in jet fuel. That builds off the widely debunked chemtrails conspiracy theory, and Kennedy provided no evidence to support the statement. We rate it Pants on Fire!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rfk-jr-said-a-government-arm-is-spraying-the-sky-with-jet-fuel-chemicals-thats-a-lie/ar-AA1EsCxd

Those who stayed awake in high school chemistry will notice there is no such chemical as "bromium". Maybe someone meant "bromine", maybe "barium", maybe it was originally a joke about "bros" - it's obvious she didn't even get as far as Doing Her Own Research before drawing Brainworm Bob into the conspiracy theories. The official government conspiracy theory memo that the OP is about went with barium:

Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI)

Aerosolized heavy metals such as Aluminum, Barium, and Strontium, as well as other materials such as
sulfuric acid precursors, are sprayed into the atmosphere under the auspices of combatting global
warming. The technical term for this practice is Solar Radiation Modification.

https://kffhealthnews.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/10/MAHA-Memo-Armour-Delany-Means.pdf
16. Republicans are in charge of the government, and
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 07:42 PM
Oct 18

It is supposedly "the government" that is spraying the skies with chemtrails. Can't RFK find out what the hell is going on? Can't he ask Hegseth, whose department is supposedly in charge of the spraying? WTF?

There used to be some people here in Portland OR who would hand out flyers about chemtrails. I always thought it was really weird, no apparent motivation for doing it, no evidence that was being done, just crazy drug-induced fever dreams.

Kind of like Trump and Miller's "antifa"

JoseBalow

(8,937 posts)
6. They walk among us
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 03:10 PM
Oct 18

Waiting for one of our resident conspiracists to come assure us that this may be legit.

IcyPeas

(24,636 posts)
15. People are saying that those chemicals are also used...
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 06:33 PM
Oct 18

in the stuff trump sprays on his face.


Ponietz

(4,181 posts)
7. The water vapor IS full of pollutants
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 03:38 PM
Oct 18

Last edited Sat Oct 18, 2025, 05:13 PM - Edit history (1)

That’s the story without spinning it, a trail of chemical pollutants.

17. Jet fuel combustion byproducts
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 07:43 PM
Oct 18

Which is mostly carbon dioxide and water. Plus uncombusted kerosene, and whatever else they put into it.

Ponietz

(4,181 posts)
20. It is very toxic
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 08:47 PM
Oct 18
Kerosene-based hydrocarbon fuels are complex mixtures which may contain up to 260+ aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbon compounds including toxicants such as benzene, n-hexane, toluene, xylenes, trimethylpentane, methoxyethanol, naphthalenes.[81]


Additives
The DEF STAN 91-091 (UK) and ASTM D1655 (international) specifications allow for certain additives to be added to jet fuel, including:[23][24]

Antioxidants to prevent gumming, usually based on alkylated phenols, e.g., AO-30, AO-31, or AO-37;
Antistatic agents, to dissipate static electricity and prevent sparking; Stadis 450, with dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA) as a component, is an example
Corrosion inhibitors, e.g., DCI-4A used for civilian and military fuels, and DCI-6A used for military fuels;
Fuel system icing inhibitor (FSII) agents, e.g., 2-(2-Methoxyethoxy)ethanol (Di-EGME); FSII is often mixed at the point-of-sale so that users with heated fuel lines do not have to pay the extra expense.
Biocides are to remediate microbial (i.e., bacterial and fungal) growth present in aircraft fuel systems. Two biocides were previously approved for use by most aircraft and turbine engine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs); Kathon FP1.5 Microbiocide and Biobor JF.[25] Biobor JF is currently the only biocide available for aviation use. Kathon was discontinued by the manufacturer due to several airworthiness incidents. Kathon is now banned from use in aviation fuel.[26]
Metal deactivator can be added to reduce the negative effects of trace metals on the thermal stability of the fuel. The one allowable additive is the chelating agent salpn (N,N′-bis(salicylidene)-1,2-propanediamine).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel


Ponietz

(4,181 posts)
33. They put biocides in jet fuel and wonder why insects are dying off and cancer rates climb
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 07:06 AM
Oct 19

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

RVN VET71

(3,099 posts)
12. It"s only funny when the believers represent a tiny, tiny minority
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 04:52 PM
Oct 18

But, of course, Trump and his brain trust will do their best to grow the believer population.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,229 posts)
13. Here's the memo - it's completely batshit
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 04:55 PM
Oct 18
https://kffhealthnews.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/10/MAHA-Memo-Armour-Delany-Means.pdf

(and I bet that shit from bats is modifying our weather too!!!)

It mentions cloud seeding before floods in Dubai in 2024. This was apparently a big enough thing on the crazy internet that the British Royal Meteorological Society wrote something to debunk it:

The culprit behind the extreme rainfall is likely to be a mesoscale convective system. MCSs are formed when a team of individual thunderstorms cluster together and cover a large area, from a few hundred to a few thousand kilometres wide, and typically last for several hours or even days, bringing heavy rainfall, hail, lightning, strong winds and even tornadoes and dust storms.
...
Luckily the storms were well forecast, up to a week in advance, showing just how important early warning systems are. However, the intensity of the downpours did spark stories about cloud seeding.

Yes, the UAE does have an operational cloud seeding programme, not a surprise given the predominantly arid nature of the region. Cloud seeding usually involves spreading fine particles into individual developing clouds that wouldn’t normally lead to rain. Small planes burning salt flares fly through the developing clouds, hoping that the tiny particles produced will act as cloud condensation nuclei and trigger the formation of water droplets and eventually rain.

But in this case, the clouds were part of a large weather system advancing across the region, and already predicted to produce substantial amounts of rain across a wide area. Any possible effect from cloud seeding would be tiny in comparison. So the tales of cloud seeding simply don’t make sense, and are a distraction from the most likely guilty party — climate change. The UAE National Centre of Meteorology later confirmed that no cloud seeding mission had taken place.

https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/dubai-floods-and-cloud-seeding

There's a similar conspiracy theory later in the crazy memo about the July Texas floods - it says a cloud seeding operation stopped before the floods. Yes, that's the point - the seeding operations produce small amounts of rain, and when they see the forecast is "huge amounts of rain, naturally", they stop, because it's pointless, and literally swamped by the natural stuff. These people are vert, very stupid. Especially Brainworm Bob.

ToxMarz

(2,616 posts)
14. You know if there was a big conspiracy to spread dangerous or malicious chemicals
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 05:09 PM
Oct 18

across the land by seemingly innocuous planes in the sky, I guarantee you they would have figured out by now how to do it WITHOUT leaving a 'chemtrail'.

Aussie105

(7,420 posts)
22. Well, when you spend day after day
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 08:59 PM
Oct 18

out in the big paddocks by yourself, your mind does go sort of soft and you start to imagine all sorts of things.
Maybe he was affected by the chemicals in the ground, not the air?

William Wallace? Nice choice for not-my-real-name!

Behind the whole thing of course is the vague feeling that humans are polluting the world, which they are.
Pollutants in the air, the water, the food you eat - pollution even out in space and other planets.

Mixed with a decent dose of paranoia, you get the whole chemtrails story. And a few others.


popsdenver

(1,056 posts)
23. LOL
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 09:03 PM
Oct 18

anyone remember a few decades ago when the farmers were all talking about BLACK helicopters flying over their crops, and up to no good?????

I asked a chopper pilot who was in the National Guard as a Huey pilot what he knew about all the farmers reporting BLACK Helicopters.........

He said, of course they are complaining and went on to tell me why.........The farmers were planting marijuana in the middle of their corn fields where it couldn't be seen from the road. They made more on the dope than they did on the corn. He said the national guard was flying DEA Black Helicopters with DEA agents aboard,, scouting the fields, in grids across farmland in Kansas, Nebraska, Dakotas, etc trying to spot these dope patches from the air.......
He said that when they saw one of these dope fields, they would set down next to it, the DEA would hop out, cut down all the plants, load them in the Huey and then leave.

He also said, they never seemed to prosecute the farmers doing these dope grows for some reason...

chouchou

(2,619 posts)
24. The Government have already steered Hurricanes and Tomatoes into...
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 09:04 PM
Oct 18

...Red Southern states. I mean, do we every see a hurricane in Chicago?...Boston?...New York city? Portland?...
I rest my cases.

eppur_se_muova

(40,562 posts)
29. ...
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 12:34 AM
Oct 19


(The helicopter crash shown toward the end was unscripted and unrehearsed -- call it free improvisation.)

DonCoquixote

(13,930 posts)
25. let look behidn the picture
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 09:49 PM
Oct 18

I hurricanes are govt, then we never needed no fema , right? Ane we wont' need no global warming stuff,,right?i

This is tailor made for the useful idiots who will let the oceans rise and the winds blow

tonekat

(2,407 posts)
26. So, to spray that amount in chemicals
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 11:20 PM
Oct 18

Planes would have to be 10 times their present size to put that much in the air.

Whatever the chemtrail believers are smoking, I don't want any.

Layzeebeaver

(2,138 posts)
30. This paragraph says it all
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 01:08 AM
Oct 19

“ Several GOP lawmakers and leaders in the Trump administration remain convinced the concepts are legitimate, though scientists have sought to discredit such claims.”

So according to the media the claims are founded and have to be discredited?

We really are living in a post-intelligent society!

bluedigger

(17,356 posts)
32. What is the source of these malicious chemicals?
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 06:59 AM
Oct 19

If no one has been able to find barrels of additives to jet fuel at any airports, then it must be sourced directly from the refineries, of which there are many from coast to coast producing jet fuel. Investigate Big Oil, immediately!

MoseShrute

(98 posts)
34. Hmm
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 07:55 AM
Oct 19

I wonder what kinds of over-processed foods these fine folks eat on a daily basis. But yeah it’s vapor trails.

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