Prince Andrew gives up royal titles including Duke of York after 'discussion with king'
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Source: The Guardian
Fri 17 Oct 2025 14.37 EDT
First published on Fri 17 Oct 2025 14.04 EDT
Prince Andrew has agreed to give up his use of the Duke of York title, he said in a statement released through Buckingham Palace. He will also give up his membership of the Order of the Garter, meaning his only remaining title will be that of prince, which cannot be removed as he was born the son of a queen.
In a statement he said: In discussion with the king, and my immediate and wider family, we have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the royal family. I have decided, as I always have, to put my duty to my family and country first. I stand by my decision five years ago to stand back from public life. With His Majestys agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me.
Technically, Andrew will retain the dukedom, which can only be removed by an act of parliament, but will not use it.The title, in effect, remains extant but inactive, like the HRH (His Royal Highness) honorific. He will also give up his knighthood as a Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (GCVO).
It is understood the decision was taken in close consultation with his brother, King Charles, and in recognition of the fact that his personal issues continued to be an unwelcome distraction from the work of the wider royal family. The king is understood to be glad of the outcome. The Prince of Wales was also consulted, along with other family members. Andrews ex-wife, Sarah, Duchess of York, will also not use her title and be known simply as Sarah Ferguson. The titles of their two daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie, will remain unaffected.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/17/prince-andrew-to-give-up-royal-titles
Just breaking. I can guess what the straw that broke might have been.
Article updated.
Original article/headline -
Prince Andrew to give up royal titles
Last modified on Fri 17 Oct 2025 14.06 EDT
Prince Andrew has agreed to give up his title as the Duke of York, he said in a statement released through Buckingham Palace.
He said: In discussion with the king, and my immediate and wider family, we have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the Royal Family.
I have decided, as I always have, to put my duty to my family and country first. I stand by my decision five years ago to stand back from public life.
With His Majestys agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me.
More details soon
markodochartaigh
(4,654 posts)England's royal family is betting that, one way or another, the Epstein files are soon coming out.
Trueblue Texan
(4,016 posts)calimary
(88,543 posts)Hey, stranger things have happened. That orange guy managed to move into the White House, not once but TWICE.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,066 posts)mercuryblues
(16,023 posts)On Trump and Epstein.
BaronChocula
(3,789 posts)He still denies all allegations. But wouldn't it be nice.
Trueblue Texan
(4,016 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,670 posts)Aristus
(71,314 posts)n/t
Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)usonian
(22,546 posts)🌋
electric_blue68
(24,990 posts)nycbos
(6,655 posts)nitpicked
(1,546 posts)Response to nitpicked (Reply #7)
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ShazzieB
(21,965 posts)From the BBC coverage:
Speaking to the BBC News Channel, the former BBC royal correspondent says enormous pressure on Andrew had been exerted from his brother, the King, and also from his nephew, Prince William.
"We could say [Prince Andrew] has fallen on his sword, but I think hes been pushed onto it," she adds.
"I dont think this is a decision that Andrew, quite an arrogant man very, very fond of his status would have willingly made without a lot of pressure."
Love the line about Andrew being pushed onto his sword!
Well done, Charles and William!
muriel_volestrangler
(105,229 posts)Andrew's talks with a Chinese spy had been reported before, but apparently there were more today - this was published about 3 hours before the "drop the title" news:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/17/prince-andrew-meritocracy-royal-family
The Chinese spying is the main UK story this week: a court case of spying for China against 2 British people, one a parliamentary researcher, was dropped - with the prosecutors saying the current Labour government wouldn't given a proper statement that China is hostile (you need something like that for the law - though some say a jury can just make up their own mind about that), and Labour blaming the previous Tory government, when the spying happened, for not making a public statement of that at the time. And Labour is being accused of sucking up to the Chinese government by everyone else. (There's also planning permission needed for a new Chinese embassy, which would be the biggest in Europe, which has been postponed (amid claims the Chinese would tunnel underneath it and intercept communications links), and China is kicking up shit about that.
BumRushDaShow
(163,458 posts)Virginia Roberts Giuffres posthumous Nobodys Girl doesnt break political news, but might break your heart.

Prince Andrew, Virginia Roberts Giuffre and Ghislaine Maxwell in London in 2001.Credit...via Virginia Roberts Giuffre
By Alexandra Jacobs
Oct. 16, 2025
(snip)
Right at the top of the review was a photo of her with Prince Andrew!
Lulu KC
(8,352 posts)I'd like to hope Epstein files coming soon, but this is all it took. (And I don't think Andrew would be privy to the info if they are coming soon, but how do I know?)
BumRushDaShow
(163,458 posts)but the end is nye for blocking...
llmart
(17,100 posts)I've pre-ordered two copies.
markie
(23,758 posts)I have decided I will not read the book... it will be fascinating, I'm sure, and I await peoples' comments, but it is just too ugly for me to read at length.... let us know the important parts after you have read it
Warpy
(114,211 posts)because he's a bit long in the tooth for that. He'll be pensioned off to live somewhere warm and remote enough he will no longer be in a position to embarrass his extended family.
The family must be anticipating more bad news once the Epstein documents are released, that Andrew made many more trips to Epstein's island that have been admitted to, possibly with very young girls sold to him. I don't think they'd have bothered taking this step unless they were trying to shield themselves from more bad news.
calimary
(88,543 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,436 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)Parliament was rumored to be getting ready to take away Andrew's titles and HRH status.
Apparently a deal was cut to let Andrew pretend he was giving them up
voluntarily. And I assume he was given payment or Royal Lodge.
He and the King have been fighting over Andrew's free housing.
So some sort of face saving arrangement was made.
Andrew had little choice in the matter.
Now if they can do the same with the other royal problem child.
FakeNoose
(39,529 posts)Andrew (who was already divorced) finally told his mother about Virginia Giuffre and the visits to Epstein's island etc.
His family acted swiftly. He lost his titles and his inheritance, and he has no job representing royal family, stemming from the Giuffre lawsuit settlement and the notoriety of the Epstein case. I believe he still lives in the Windsor property on the palace grounds and he can keep whatever money he has privately invested. But he's never getting another dime from the Windsor royals and he has to keep a low profile from now on.
SunSeeker
(57,291 posts)JoseBalow
(8,937 posts)Seems more like they are trying to hide and distance themselves from it. That is on brand.
SunSeeker
(57,291 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)Even though there is evidence.
And the fact his titles are being taken away indicates he is guilty as sin.
fujiyamasan
(988 posts)Like the Catholic Church, it will deny, deny, deny. The last thing they want is victims coming after them for damages.
Were seeing the same thing here, and of course Trump is doing everything he can to keep those files from coming to light.
Eugene
(66,609 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)JoseBalow
(8,937 posts)Meh, royal titles are so passé...
Richard_GB
(113 posts)Nonce
usonian
(22,546 posts)
Ex Prince?
UpInArms
(53,740 posts)I want to see their birth applications
What makes them more special than anyone else
I despise the monarchy bullshit
Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)Tetrachloride
(9,238 posts)no prosecution
Irish_Dem
(78,012 posts)He gives up the title and HRH.
He doesn't get investigated any further.
Or the King knows an investigation is coming up shortly.
Or Epstein files released.
Time will tell.
Tetrachloride
(9,238 posts)a bunch of maybe
Joinfortmill
(19,552 posts)eppur_se_muova
(40,562 posts)PufPuf23
(9,666 posts)so have experience with extensive pedophilia scandals among the wealthy and powerful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
Savile met Prince Charles through mutual charity interests.[88] His work with Stoke Mandeville Hospital also made Savile a suitable figure to whom the Prince could turn "for advice on navigating Britain's health authorities".[89] Charles met Savile on several occasions. In 1999, Charles visited Savile's Glen Coe home for a private meal and reportedly sent him gifts on his 80th birthday and a note reading: "Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country, Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that."[88] Savile was also in contact with other members of the royal household and received telegrams from Diana, Princess of Wales, and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, as well as a handwritten letter from Princess Alexandra's husband Sir Angus Ogilvy and a homemade card from Sarah, Duchess of York.[90] Savile acted as an unofficial adviser to Prince Charles, who sought his advice on a number of occasions on how the royal family ought to interact with the public and media. In 1989, Savile hand-wrote an unofficial set of guidelines to Charles on how members of the royal family and staff may respond to disasters. Charles showed the dossier to his father, Prince Philip, who passed the contents on to Queen Elizabeth II.[91][92][93]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal
he has a couple of hundred million dollars as his share of the family fortune.