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BumRushDaShow

(161,157 posts)
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:39 AM 11 hrs ago

Can states ban conversion therapy for kids? Supreme Court takes up major LGBTQ+ case

Source: USA Today

Oct. 5, 2025, 3:00 a.m. ET


WASHINGTON −Growing up in a conservative and religious family in Arizona, Matt R. Salmon was desperate not to be gay. He prayed, fasted, read scripture and pleaded with God to change him.

“Even at other kids’ birthday parties, when they were blowing out their birthday candles, I would try to make my wish before they could, to try and steal it,” Salmon, now 37, recounted. When that didn’t work, he agreed at age 18 to see a counselor he was told could help.

Not only did his attraction to men not go away, but Salmon said he absorbed the therapist’s message that something was deeply wrong with him. Although he’s worked hard to undo those two years of what he called “psychological abuse,” Salmon said he still feels “so hurt and, to this day, broken by the experience.”

So he was stunned when the Supreme Court said it would decide whether Colorado’s ban on “conversion therapy” for LGBTQ+ minors violates a counselor’s free speech rights. “Licensed professionals don’t have free speech,” said Salmon, now a psychiatrist and counselor himself in Washington, DC. “You don’t just get to say whatever you want.”

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/10/05/supreme-court-ban-conversion-therapy-colorado/86344212007/

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Can states ban conversion therapy for kids? Supreme Court takes up major LGBTQ+ case (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 11 hrs ago OP
No reason to be 'stunned.' J_William_Ryan 10 hrs ago #1
Next comes the ban on . . . AverageOldGuy 9 hrs ago #2
Well, those ads WORK. They worked in the '24 elections. Callie1979 3 hrs ago #8
And come on, we know how they are planning to rule Bettie 9 hrs ago #3
As Charlie Kirk would say: 70sEraVet 8 hrs ago #4
There ought to be a mandatory ten year prison sentence for anyone practicing "conversion therapy." hunter 8 hrs ago #5
Government legislators, whose expertise is in real estate insurance... Grins 6 hrs ago #6
Where are the "Originalists" and the "the debt is too high" people? JoetheShow 5 hrs ago #7
Why do they have to want to be in the mind-bending business? twodogsbarking 2 hrs ago #9

J_William_Ryan

(3,045 posts)
1. No reason to be 'stunned.'
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 07:52 AM
10 hrs ago

Of course the Court took the case so the conservative majority can rule in a manner invalidating the bans.

AverageOldGuy

(3,034 posts)
2. Next comes the ban on . . .
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:42 AM
9 hrs ago

. . . on the near-mythical "sex change operations."

Check out the Facebook page for Winsome Earle-Sears, currently Virginia Lt Governor, now running for Governor.

Sears' is such a weak candidate that her campaign focusses on one and only one matter: "boys in girls bathrooms." In this rightwing, MAGA fantasy, all a boy must do is say "Well, I feel like a girl so I think I'll go pee in the girls' restrooms." Sears' whole campaign is nothing but TV ads, mailers, and speeches denouncing "boys in girls bathrooms," playing on a few cases of kids doing stupid stuff and one convicted sex offender who pops up from time to time.

But it gets worse. The same crowd is pushing the fantasy that a student can tell a teacher "I'm a boy(girl) but I want to be a girl (boy)." and the teacher, with the help of the school nurse and a visit to the gym locker room, will perform a "sex change operation," sending the student home with a new gender.

Just wait for SCOTUS to get hold of this non-issue.

Callie1979

(948 posts)
8. Well, those ads WORK. They worked in the '24 elections.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:11 PM
3 hrs ago

Ignoring it or thinking its silly is asking for it to work yet again. And it WILL be used next year and in 2028. We'd better wake up to reality if we want to defeat these traitors. Look up Payton McNabb; she WILL be used as just one example.

Bettie

(18,934 posts)
3. And come on, we know how they are planning to rule
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 09:22 AM
9 hrs ago

I no longer believe that this court actually cares about the arguments, several of them (a majority) have made their decision before the first brief has been filed or the first argument made. It's not a court, it's a rubber stamp for the religious right and the ultra wealthy.

70sEraVet

(4,958 posts)
4. As Charlie Kirk would say:
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 09:33 AM
8 hrs ago

"It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some (teen suicide) deaths every single year so that (religious counselors) can have the (First) Amendment”

hunter

(40,006 posts)
5. There ought to be a mandatory ten year prison sentence for anyone practicing "conversion therapy."
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 10:15 AM
8 hrs ago

Twenty years if charge money for it.

These assholes, who worship cruel and capricious gods, kill people.


Grins

(8,922 posts)
6. Government legislators, whose expertise is in real estate insurance...
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 11:43 AM
6 hrs ago

…should not be legislating health care Rx and procedures. They don’t have the competence and neither do their constituents.

What should the state do ? Encourage state medical boards to follow the science and enforce generally accepted medical standards of care.

I.e. - Mind your own damn business!

JoetheShow

(137 posts)
7. Where are the "Originalists" and the "the debt is too high" people?
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 12:34 PM
5 hrs ago

They only come out when it's advantageous to the conservative cause. Otherwise they go back into the closet with the gay conservatives. Of COURSE the Supreme Court will rule that states can't ban conversion therapy. The constitution doesn't say a thing about it so they can do whatever their God tells them.

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