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demmiblue

(38,718 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 08:15 AM Monday

Channel 4 to mark Trump's UK visit with 'longest uninterrupted reel of untruths'

Source: The Guardian

More than 100 of Donald Trump’s inaccurate statements are to be dissected by Channel 4 to coincide with his state visit, in what it described as “the longest uninterrupted reel of untruths, falsehoods and distortions ever broadcast on television”.

The US president is expected to arrive in the UK on Tuesday night. He will enjoy a huge amount of special treatment as ministers attempt to preserve the special relationship, including a ceremonial welcome at Windsor Castle for Trump and his wife, Melania.

However, Channel 4 is dedicating its Wednesday night schedule to unpicking what it describes as the falsehoods expressed by Trump since taking office in a broadcast that insiders said would last several hours.

Trump v The Truth, starting at 10pm, is expected to cover everything from the president’s false boast that his administration had “stopped $50m being sent to Gaza to buy condoms for Hamas”, to his debunked claim to have sent Ukraine more than $300bn (£220bn) in wartime aid.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/15/channel-4-donald-trump-uk-state-visit-reel-of-untruths



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Channel 4 to mark Trump's UK visit with 'longest uninterrupted reel of untruths' (Original Post) demmiblue Monday OP
Nice. tanyev Monday #1
Considering that the WaPo counted over 33,000 lies during his first misadministration oberle Monday #7
👍 underpants Monday #2
K&R berniesandersmittens Monday #3
How embarrassing William Seger Monday #4
Being outside TrumpLandia allows for truth in journalism?? NoMoreRepugs Monday #5
Is TSF getting an unprecedented second johnnyfins Monday #6
Are there rumors of another one? mwmisses4289 Monday #8
No, Im talking about the original one. johnnyfins Monday #9
Actually, the British may be more ok with mwmisses4289 Monday #12
He fired Peter Mandelson, who had been appointed US Ambassador specifically to be friends with Trump muriel_volestrangler Monday #14
Thanks for setting me straight. mwmisses4289 Monday #18
The US media airs his lies all the time Orrex Monday #10
I don't think I've ever heard U.S.news media Oeditpus Rex Monday #32
I've seldom seen that last part Orrex Monday #40
Oh Oeditpus Rex Monday #42
It would seem so, yes. Orrex Monday #43
Probably, to people who think our news media Oeditpus Rex Monday #44
And probably not for the cheerleaders who that insist all is fine. Orrex Monday #47
What does Garland have to do Oeditpus Rex Monday #48
Hope it makes the orange menace... EYESORE 9001 Monday #11
Now you got me singing... lol. ananda Monday #13
What's Channel 4? N/T Upthevibe Monday #15
It's a major UK channel Layzeebeaver Monday #22
Thank you...N/T Upthevibe Monday #27
I wonder if BBC news here would broadcast this here! kimbutgar Monday #34
There used to be Roku app, long since gone, where you could watch them all live Alice B. Monday #37
Thanks. Just Jerome Monday #16
When and Where popsdenver Monday #20
bbc.com or bbc.co.uk Just Jerome Monday #21
Search for channel 4 Layzeebeaver Monday #23
So Channel 4 Just Jerome Monday #24
Correct - there are, confusingly, 3 entities with "4" in the name for the UK muriel_volestrangler Monday #28
What are the licence fees now? Oeditpus Rex Monday #30
£174.50 for TV muriel_volestrangler Monday #31
And 174.50 is right around $200? (n t.) Oeditpus Rex Monday #46
About - with the current exchange rate, about $230 (nt) muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #49
Liar, liar, I hope his balls are on fire. twodogsbarking Monday #17
Excellent decision. Martin68 Monday #19
There should be a DU livestream/watch party BaronChocula Monday #25
Thank god... bagimin Monday #26
Ha! Gotta love it! Joinfortmill Monday #29
Please bring back the Blimps! FakeNoose Monday #33
I love this! mwb970 Monday #35
Can I get BBC channel 4 in the US? If so how? TIA irisblue Monday #36
See Muriel's replies about UK TV channels upthread - Channel 4 is a separate broadcaster in its own right, Emrys Monday #41
You Are Going To Need a VPN DrFunkenstein Monday #38
Only a hundred? progressoid Monday #39
Mix it up with some Benny Hill. OAITW r.2.0 Monday #45

William Seger

(11,810 posts)
4. How embarrassing
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 08:31 AM
Monday

One of the faux-king idiot's biggest lies is how is "restoring respect" for the USA around the world.

johnnyfins

(2,893 posts)
6. Is TSF getting an unprecedented second
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 08:34 AM
Monday

State visit to England because he may be protecting a royal family member from embarrassment? Asking for a friend...

mwmisses4289

(2,205 posts)
8. Are there rumors of another one?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:18 AM
Monday

The one i know of suffered plenty of embarrassment and condemnation when it came out, to the point of being very much in background for a royal. Basically, no longer allowed to do public events and such.

johnnyfins

(2,893 posts)
9. No, Im talking about the original one.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:20 AM
Monday

Im sure the crown does NOT want the Epstein files released...

mwmisses4289

(2,205 posts)
12. Actually, the British may be more ok with
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:31 AM
Monday

them being released than some in the u.s. Didn't Starmer just fire someone in his administration that had created a card that was in the birthday book?

muriel_volestrangler

(104,693 posts)
14. He fired Peter Mandelson, who had been appointed US Ambassador specifically to be friends with Trump
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:59 AM
Monday

The apparent "final straw" was Bloomberg publishing emails from Mandelson to Epstein, written after the latter's conviction, saying how outrageous it was that he'd been convicted, and it never would have happened in the UK (never mind that Epstein did a plea deal to get an obscenely light sentence). Starmer already knew before appointing him that Mandelson had planned to stay in Epstein's apartment while Epstein was serving his sentence (Mandelson apparently told Starmer that he hadn't actually stayed there, so that was supposed to be alright. Whether he did stay there or not, I don't know). Starmer took Mandelson at his word, decided everything was fine, and appointed him. Which casts huge doubt on Starmer's judgement.

"The British" as in the people would be fine with everything Epstein-related published; Andrew is widely despised. "The crown" is embarrassed by him, so would like the whole thing to go away, but I don't think they want to do anything to cover it up, since that would probably come out, and actively covering it up would be worse still for "the crown".

mwmisses4289

(2,205 posts)
18. Thanks for setting me straight.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:35 AM
Monday

I knew Starmer had fired someone for being involved with epstein, just couldn't remember the exact why.


Edited to add: in my 1st post i had typed in "the Brits" but autocorrect changed it to British when I hit send.

Orrex

(66,019 posts)
10. The US media airs his lies all the time
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:21 AM
Monday

Of course, US media doesn't actually call them lies; they just broadcast them repeatedly on behalf of Fuckface47.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,727 posts)
32. I don't think I've ever heard U.S.news media
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:56 PM
Monday

use the word "lie," nor certainly a flat-out charge such as "He's lying" or "This is a lie." Doing so would invite a libel suit. Instead, they show video of the person allegedly lying or quote them directly if video is not available, then run a story contradicting what they said.

Orrex

(66,019 posts)
40. I've seldom seen that last part
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 08:20 PM
Monday

Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:21 PM - Edit history (1)

And if he can, in fact, be so easily demonstrated to be lying, then his libel suit will fail outright.

Very occasionally I've heard NPR and a precious few other formal outlets contradict his unambiguous lies. The NPR's ombudsman during Trump's first interminable administration famously engaged in astonishing contortions to explain why Trump's objectively verifiable lies aren't lies, in fact.

So I'd welcome a new trend in which the media actually contradicts his lies in real time by running such contradictory stories. Better still, don't catapult his lies 24/7 while offering only a tepid refutation.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,727 posts)
44. Probably, to people who think our news media
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:32 PM
Monday

lay down and stick out their tongues for The Felon to walk on in his golf shoes.

Orrex

(66,019 posts)
47. And probably not for the cheerleaders who that insist all is fine.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:47 PM
Monday

Maybe you could remind us of the great job that Garland did?

ananda

(33,137 posts)
13. Now you got me singing... lol.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:43 AM
Monday

Rue Britannia ... Britannia rues the waves...

We never, never, never shall be slaves.

Layzeebeaver

(2,035 posts)
22. It's a major UK channel
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:46 PM
Monday

There’s BBC 1 thru 4
Channel 5
ITV
Channel 4
And unfortunately GB News (right wing)

And there’s a number of smaller speciality channels but they’re not that important

Alice B.

(617 posts)
37. There used to be Roku app, long since gone, where you could watch them all live
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:32 PM
Monday

Loved it. Especially the commercials and cricket.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,693 posts)
28. Correct - there are, confusingly, 3 entities with "4" in the name for the UK
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:54 PM
Monday

There's, as you say, "BBC Radio 4",which is the national speech channel (NPR being the nearest American equivalent) - in a sense, this was the original "BBC" dating back to 1922, but they gave it "4" in the 1960s.

There's Channel 4, which is a non-profit national TV channel (though funded with ads, while the BBC channels are funded from the fixed licence fee), started in the 1980s, with a remit to be "alternative" to what existed then (which was 2 BBC channels - BBC One and BBC Two - and ITV, the for-profit channel started in the 1950s. If Channel 4 make a profit, it goes into the "Film 4" arm, which has made many of the best-known British films in the last few decades.

There's BBC Four, a TV channel started around 2000 (when digital TV allowed many more channels). This is a niche, low-budget channel, only starting at 7pm, with lots of documentaries, foreign films/TV series and comedies they're trying out. Plus lots of repeats.

(Plus there is also S4C - a Welsh language channel - Emrys would be the DUer to tell you about this)

Oeditpus Rex

(42,727 posts)
30. What are the licence fees now?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:41 PM
Monday

At the end of a Monty Python episode (I don't remember which), the camera is fixed on a sign that lists them. They sere something like £12/6 for TV plus radio, £9/6 for TV only and £2/6 for radio only. I imagine they've gone up quite a bit ove 50-plus years.

(They also did a joke about a man who was hanged for not having a licence for his car radio.)

muriel_volestrangler

(104,693 posts)
31. £174.50 for TV
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:51 PM
Monday

£58.50 if your TV is only black-and-white - which meant something back in the 60s or 70s, but I imagine is almost no one now. Applying for that would probably draw more attention than not buying a licence at all. Radio is free (has been for as long as I remember, so since the mid-70s anyway).

Emrys

(8,710 posts)
41. See Muriel's replies about UK TV channels upthread - Channel 4 is a separate broadcaster in its own right,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:08 PM
Monday

not part of the BBC. The BBC's too often afraid of its own shadow nowadays and wouldn't dream of challenging Trump (and our government, which is desperately and pathetically trying to suck up to him - hence the latest state visit) in such a way.

Unfortunately, Channel 4 is quite strict about not allowing its content to be streamed outside the UK. Some try to use VPNs to stream its content via the Web elsewhere in the world, but Channel 4 is reportedly quite savvy about detecting and blocking VPN users.

I'd hope if the programme makes enough of a splash the channel or someone else will find a way to make it available in the USA (and hopefully everywhere else).

DrFunkenstein

(8,832 posts)
38. You Are Going To Need a VPN
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 05:35 PM
Monday

You can register to watch Channel 4, but you can't watch anything without a VPN since it won't play in the US.

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