Uh, how about starting with FOX NEWS and POTUS!!!!!!!°

By the Feds soon...

...that Repukes seem to give a shit
about...

Ah..they are starting to admit..Kirk was a hate speaker

Fuck you, Cox.

""I was praying that if this had to happen here, that it wouldn't be one of us. That somebody drove from another state, somebody came from another country."

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I don't see the intent behind his prayer as a hope that the shooter was an immigrant.

I see it as a heartfelt reaction. A sort of fervent hope that "no one in my family committed this crime." His "family" is his state. His country.

Was it an asinine prayer? You betcha.

Was it motived by ill will toward people from other countries? Perhaps. But I think probably not.

To the extent that the statement reflects that he feels a deeper connection to the residents of Utah and the residents of the U.S., not great. Sure. He doesn't have a sense of global citizenship and that is something that deserves to be noted and brought to his attention as hurtful. But I don't see it as some unforgivable statement of bigotry.

I mean, he was praying for the shooter not
to be "one of us," meaning white republican
jesus.

The work he is doing with Wes Moore and other governors:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143530022#post12

His statement when he vetoed HB11 (a ban on transgender students participating in school sports) is one example of "walking the walk."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220636610#post3

Also, my reply above about his misguided prayer:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143530022#post20

Is the man a liberal saint? No fucking way.

However, he is one of the few remaining Republicans who has not lost his mind. By his actions, he has earned a little grace from people who embrace essential American values -- values like human-rights, rule of law, religious freedom, self-governance, and economic justice, and the thinking underlying those values, among them rationality, compassion as a moral imperative, and scientific inquiry

And furthermore, he is SPOT ON about the damage being done by Conflict Entrepreneurs. If you have any doubt about that, I suggest you visit the Center for Humane Technology and listen to their Your Undivided Attention podcasts.

of thoughts and prayers on day one, decided to finish with a rousing cry of “Make no mistake-this was political!”

They’re destroying humanity. Isn’t it ironic that the social media platforms the Nepalese protesters want so badly will tear their culture apart?

And to anyone who has any doubts about his, I suggest you visit the Center for Humane Technology and listen to their Your Undivided Attention podcasts.

And I think Spencer Cox is a lot more than most people know.

The work he is doing with Wes Moore and other governors:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143530022#post12

His statement when he vetoed HB11 (a ban on transgender students participating in school sports) is one example of "walking the walk."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220636610#post3

Also, my reply above about his misguided prayer:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143530022#post20

Is the man a liberal saint? No fucking way.

However, he is one of the few remaining Republicans who has not lost his mind. By his actions, he has earned a little grace from people who embrace essential American values -- values like human-rights, rule of law, religious freedom, self-governance, and economic justice, and the thinking underlying those values, among them rationality, compassion as a moral imperative, and scientific inquiry

So, "both sides"

He, along with Wes Moore and others are doing good work, denouncing the dehumanizing rhetoric, reconnecting to compassion. For example, Wes Moore's hallmark legislation and work to expand funding for a service year after high school is something that is truly a step in the right direction. And Spencer Cox has championed a similar program in Utah. And they are working with other governors to promote similar legislation in other states.

People actually working together in the real world, engaged in service, could become a crucial counter weight to the toxic world of the "chronically online."

I highly recommend this forum. Time codes for sections below.

With Malice Toward None, With Charity for All, 2/21/24
https://www.youtube.com/live/8SFSkWxUxeo

The entire program is worthwhile, but the section with Spencer Cox and Wes Moore (14:01 to 51:29) is a must see for anyone looking for signs of hope in a bleak political landscape.

37 minutes
14:01 to 51:29
Keynote: Spencer Cox and Wes Moore

44 minutes
52:15 to 1:28:44
Panel
Dr. Timothy Shriver
Ruth Okejiji
Rachel Brand
Donna Brazile

1:28:30 to 1:55:00
Panel
Rev. Dr. David McAllister-Wilson
Joshua Dubois
Peter Wehner
Judge Thomas Griffith
Dr. Timothy Shriver

So, he may be more partisan again.

I thought he still was, but I looked it up. If he was, I would find him more credible. However, I do think because he previously held a very prominent non-partisan position, that he would be somewhat careful about what he says.

It looks like they alternate parties, each year.

2014–2015 John Hickenlooper Colorado Democratic
2015–2016 Gary Herbert Utah Republican
2016–2017 Terry McAuliffe Virginia Democratic
2017–2018 Brian Sandoval Nevada Republican
2018–2019 Steve Bullock Montana Democratic
2019–2020 Larry Hogan Maryland Republican
2020–2021 Andrew Cuomo New York Democratic
2021–2022 Asa Hutchinson Arkansas Republican
2022–2023 Phil Murphy New Jersey Democratic
2023–2024 Spencer Cox Utah Republican
2024–2025 Jared Polis Colorado Democratic
2025–present Kevin Stitt Oklahoma Republican

... his statement when he vetoed HB11 (a ban on transgender students participating in school sports) is one example of "walking the walk."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220636610#post3

Exploit conflict and make a good living at it. It beats having a real job.

Charlie Kirk's Killing and Our Poisonous Internet
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/opinion/charlie-kirk-shooting-internet.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mE8.d5PF.iLN9T5JrVT-f&smid=url-share

Cox, a moderate Republican, said he has seen the phenomenon play out “in real time since the tragic death of Charlie Kirk” and in “every corner of our society.”

It has bene playing out in real time for decades now. You just did not want to say anything because it was your side that was using it to advantage. Now that the advantage is gone, they want to act as if they did not want it either.

Pathetically hypocritical behavior. And, typical.



("I get so hung up on my bones!" )

Here's his speech in full:

Good afternoon, ladies and gentleman, my fellow Utahns.

I come to you this afternoon from the historic Governor’s Mansion with a message I never intended to have to deliver on just my second day on the job.

I don’t have any prepared remarks, but I wanted to speak to you from my heart about what we are seeing across our country today. I am deeply troubled at the chaos, at the devastation, at the cowardly acts of violence that we are seeing in our nation’s Capitol on this day.

As patriots, as Utahns, as Americans, as people who care deeply about each other and care deeply about this great nation, I urge you to stand up and speak out against the violence, against the terrorists, against the evil that we have seen in our nation’s Capitol today.

Now, make no mistake, protesting is a critical piece of American history. It is enshrined in our Constitution. It is a right that we hold and that we bear deeply. I encourage people to exercise that right to peaceably assemble, peaceably come together, to make your voice heard.

But we must condemn in the strongest of terms: violence, personal attacks, the non-peaceful use of peoples’ voice.

Now, fortunately, the protestors here in the state of Utah, so far, have been mostly peaceful. To any of you out there who are considering joining those protests, I ask you to please do so but, again, to do so in the right way — to do so loud, to do so proud, but to do so in a respectful manner and, by no means, resort to violence or property destruction.

I want to thank our first responders, Highway Patrol, Salt Lake City Police Department and other public service officials who are protecting the state’s Capitol and making sure that everyone is safe at these rallies and these protests.

My fellow Utahns, it is not enough now to be silent. It’s not enough to just not participate in the evil that we have seen today. I’m calling on all of you to speak out, to speak up and to let your family, to let your friends, to let your neighbors know, that this is unacceptable. We are better than this in Utah. We are better than this in America. We have been an example to the rest of the world when it comes to our elections, when it comes to the way that we protest, when it comes to the freedoms and the liberties that we so enjoy. And more than ever, we need to show the rest of the world that this is not the way that America does her business. And I trust that Utahns can be that example to the rest of the nation and to the world.

And so today — tonight — I’m asking you to please speak up. Please condemn what you are seeing happening across the country. Whether you are a Republican or a Democrat, whether you voted for the president or voted for someone else, let’s be better. And let’s be better together.

2021 is going to be an incredible year for all of us. We are moving forward through this pandemic. The end is in sight. Our country will come out of this stronger and more resilient than ever before — but only if each of us do our part. So tonight, let’s do our part.

Thank you for your goodness. Thank you for making Utah an incredible place to live. May God bless you. May God bless the great state of Utah. And, especially tonight, say a prayer that God will bless the United States of America.

Thank you.
https://governor.utah.gov/press/watch-utah-gov-spencer-j-cox-urges-utahns-to-stand-up-and-speak-out-against-violence-at-u-s-capitol/

The work he is doing with Wes Moore and other governors:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143530022#post12

His statement when he vetoed HB11 (a ban on transgender students participating in school sports) is one example of "walking the walk."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220636610#post3

Also, my reply above about his misguided prayer:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143530022#post20

Is the man a liberal saint? No fucking way.

However, he is one of the few remaining Republicans who has not lost his mind. By his actions, he has earned a little grace from people who embrace essential American values -- values like human-rights, rule of law, religious freedom, self-governance, and economic justice, and the thinking underlying those values, among them rationality, compassion as a moral imperative, and scientific inquiry

Has he consistently voted for 'human-rights, rule of law, religious freedom, self-governance, and economic justice, and the thinking underlying those values, among them rationality, compassion as a moral imperative, and scientific inquiry.'?

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Sure. He's a Republican, but like the other few remaining decent people in that party in state and local government, he has a reputation for engaging in actually finding solutions and finding common ground with Democrats where he can on issues of importance -- like funding a service year after high school. A program that, if given some serious funding, could go a long way to providing opportunities for a whole lot of young people to have a life-changing experience of community service.

I refuse to engage in blanket denigration of people who are engaged in good faith dialog on more issues than not. What we need is a restoration of sanity and willingness to govern for the benefit of the people who elected you. Will there be areas no common ground can be found? Of course! But if more electeds walked in the door with the intent to find common ground and make progress in the areas they do, it would go a long way toward getting back on the road to creating that "more perfect union."

The tragedy is that the reactionary crazies are driving people who are looking to find common ground and make progress out of the Republican Party. I for one am sorry to see people like J.T. Wilcox, a member of the Washington State House, announcing their retirement. Wilcox is a Republican, and subscribes to some policies I think were flat wrong, but he is also an environmental champion who is well respected as a person of deep integrity.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/j-t-wilcox-knows-chicken-farming-but-the-state-republican-wa-lawmakers-heart-is-with-salmon/

On edit: To be clear, Charlie Kirk was absolutely not one of those decent people. They can try to paint him as being willing to engage, but I think many people are crystal clear about the truth. Good faith was absent from his "style" of "debate:

Gish galloping and cherry picked "facts" is not being "good" at debate.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220628593#post59

Pretending a clearly conservative murderer is a liberal.

As stated in this excellent article "Charlie Kirk's Killing and Our Poisonous Internet"
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/opinion/charlie-kirk-shooting-internet.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mE8.d5PF.iLN9T5JrVT-f&smid=url-share

Link to tweet

He sure sounds like he is. It is constant grandstanding. Let law enforcement officials do their job and STFU about this case.

He has created a shit ton of confusion among the public about the alleged shooter, the alleged roommate, and motive.

YOU in the GOP are the problem.