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BumRushDaShow

(160,069 posts)
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 02:43 PM Sunday

Utah governor says alleged Kirk shooter not cooperating with authorities

Source: ABC News

September 14, 2025, 2:25 PM


Gov. Spencer Cox, R-Utah, said Sunday that the suspect in the shooting that killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk is not cooperating with authorities. "He has not confessed to, to authorities. He is, he is, he is not cooperating, but, but, but all the people around him are cooperating. And I think that's, that's, that's very important," Cox told ABC News' "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz.

Authorities identified Kirk's alleged shooter as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, who now remains in custody. Charges are expected to be formally filed on Tuesday, Cox said. Cox was also asked about a Sunday New York Times report that alleged Robinson had communicated with others on Discord after the shooting. The Times reported Robinson had made jokes about being the alleged gunman.

"All we can confirm is that those conversations definitely were happening, and they did not believe it was actually him. It was, it was all joking until, until he, you know, until he admitted that it actually was him," he said.

Authorities are reviewing a group chat between several people joking about how the shooter looked like Robinson, multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/utah-governor-alleged-kirk-shooter-cooperating-authorities/story?id=125552756

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Utah governor says alleged Kirk shooter not cooperating with authorities (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
As Justice Robert Jackson said: rsdsharp Sunday #1
100% Anybody with half a brain ... - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Sunday #3
Damn, that eliminates this administration LiberalArkie Sunday #5
Arrogant murderers probably don't have much of a brain. nt Trueblue Texan Sunday #7
this person was apparently regarded as well above average ... stopdiggin Sunday #11
Reich-wing is pushing narrative he got radicalized at University, oops, he was only there one term. Bernardo de La Paz Monday #21
I guess we're going to argue definitions? stopdiggin Monday #39
WOW! ubermarg Sunday #2
I know right?!! yardwork Sunday #4
Post Building! FSogol Monday #22
This is the same governor that was praying the shooter was agingdem Sunday #6
But then later Diraven Sunday #8
Exactly BumRushDaShow Sunday #13
I guess white republican jesus wasn't in the mood to grant favors. ananda Sunday #16
Well, maybe he means this shooter won't bluestarone Sunday #9
Gaslighting.. agingdem Sunday #15
Translation: he has a really good lawyer who advised him to clam up Justice Brandeis Sunday #10
Yup Prairie Gates Monday #25
Jesus Christ, what a piss-poor public speaker. Aristus Sunday #12
What is he trying to say? taxi Sunday #14
What? He won't go along with the 'furry lover' scam? travelingthrulife Sunday #17
Utah governor sure loves himz's camera time. IA8IT Sunday #18
And you expect him to cooperate with LE, Cox? republianmushroom Sunday #19
Sounds like they haven't proffered a plea deal - life instead of the death penalty in exchange for a confession. LudwigPastorius Sunday #20
They are pursuing the Death Penalty... Happy Hoosier Monday #23
What in the hell? Prairie Gates Monday #24
He's stammering like a schoolboy Blues Heron Monday #27
Doesn't matter Prairie Gates Monday #28
Why would they do an "editorial correction" of what was actually said? BumRushDaShow Monday #30
It's not sane washing Prairie Gates Monday #32
"Standard journalistic practice" would be to paraphrase BumRushDaShow Monday #35
The last 100 years are history. maxsolomon Monday #38
I certainly agree that journalistic standards have fallen markodochartaigh Monday #29
Yes, inclusion of repetitions and filler words is always an attempt to deride the speaker Prairie Gates Monday #31
Makes me wonder if he has a stutter. mwmisses4289 Monday #37
Cox is such a piece of shit Blues Heron Monday #26
Flagged for libeling a very important substance. markodochartaigh Monday #33
Lol! Blues Heron Monday #34
It states he hasn't been formally charged. So why talk. miyazaki Monday #36

rsdsharp

(11,287 posts)
1. As Justice Robert Jackson said:
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 02:49 PM
Sunday
“Any lawyer worth his salt will tell the suspect in no uncertain terms to make no statement to the police under any circumstances.”

stopdiggin

(14,401 posts)
11. this person was apparently regarded as well above average ...
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 03:44 PM
Sunday

So .. outside of a snark factor .. I'm not quite sure .. what ...

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,329 posts)
21. Reich-wing is pushing narrative he got radicalized at University, oops, he was only there one term.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:01 AM
Monday

"well above average"? He got a scholarship but had below average ability to cope with it. Then he was on his way to becoming an electrician. Skilled trades may be above average, but not "well above average".

stopdiggin

(14,401 posts)
39. I guess we're going to argue definitions?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:50 PM
Monday

Classmates (and teachers?) routinely describe Robinson as "quiet" and "noticeably 'smart" - and his academic achievement was (again) 'well above average'. Note, I did not label this person Mensa or genius level IQ. But, then - I don't think that necessary to qualify for my generalized 'well above .. '

But, more importantly - given what evidence we do have - I think I'll stick with my refutation of the, "Arrogant murderers probably don't have much of a brain" post that I responded to. In this case - that assertion would seem to be - well, frankly just flat out wrong! The kid was certainly no dummy. While, at the same time, performing horrible actions has little or nothing to do with 'having a brain'. And, taking both of those errors into account, the statement I objected veers far wider of the mark than my own poor statement.

Also - as you are doubtlessly aware - kids drop out of school for all kinds of reasons. And in fact - a lot of the time those reasons have nothing to do with academic 'ability'. And further - as you are also doubtlessly aware - it is an egregious mistake to attempt to tie 'coping', to anything like IQ or acuity. That's clearly false analogy.

agingdem

(8,637 posts)
6. This is the same governor that was praying the shooter was
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 03:08 PM
Sunday

a foreigner or a minority meaning brown/black/Democrat (“not one of us”)..but alas his prayers were not answered and the shooter was indeed “one of us” ..a white christian ultra right asshole with a gun (Nick Fuentes’s love child)..

Diraven

(1,573 posts)
8. But then later
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 03:29 PM
Sunday

He started saying the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology". I guess heist have gotten some orders to toe the right wing propaganda line.

agingdem

(8,637 posts)
15. Gaslighting..
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 04:09 PM
Sunday

give Trump a week and the white Christian nationalist zombie kid will morph into a rifle-toting Trump hating black/brown/Mexican Democrat…

Justice Brandeis

(287 posts)
10. Translation: he has a really good lawyer who advised him to clam up
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 03:44 PM
Sunday

That's what being "uncooperative" means in the law enforcement community.

Aristus

(70,852 posts)
12. Jesus Christ, what a piss-poor public speaker.
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 03:47 PM
Sunday

His speaking-style, if you want to call it that, is reminiscent of the laughably bad King James Bible fan-fic blatherings of the Book of Mormon. Where the phrase “And it came to pass…” pops up every few paragraphs.

taxi

(2,493 posts)
14. What is he trying to say?
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 03:57 PM
Sunday

Does his attorney want him to claim that he was some kind of victim in this? That someone bought him a hamburger and gave him $100 to go on the roof for a security check? That he put a spent cartridge in the rifle before going on the roof as a failsafe, as proof that he didn't fire a shot? That he was comfortable taking part in a republican orchestrated event?
We know there is no bottom to what rwnj's will do or say.


republianmushroom

(21,364 posts)
19. And you expect him to cooperate with LE, Cox?
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 07:54 PM
Sunday

I must be missing something here, cooperation with LE, why ?

LudwigPastorius

(13,385 posts)
20. Sounds like they haven't proffered a plea deal - life instead of the death penalty in exchange for a confession.
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 11:35 PM
Sunday

Maybe they figure they've got overwhelming evidence and are set on an execution to satisfy the MAGA hordes.

I'm guessing the push will be for a public killing of Robinson, just like Charlie would have liked it.

Prairie Gates

(6,265 posts)
24. What in the hell?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:22 AM
Monday

I'm sorry, but what the fuck is this:

"He has not confessed to, to authorities. He is, he is, he is not cooperating, but, but, but all the people around him are cooperating. And I think that's, that's, that's very important," Cox told ABC News'


It has been standard practice in news reporting forever to remove repetitions and filler words when quoting people in news stories. You literally learn this in junior high school journalism class. Was this story written by an AI? This is terrible.

Prairie Gates

(6,265 posts)
28. Doesn't matter
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:35 AM
Monday

It's completely unprofessional to include repetitions of this kind in a news story.

BumRushDaShow

(160,069 posts)
30. Why would they do an "editorial correction" of what was actually said?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:38 AM
Monday


That's just sane-washing it.

Prairie Gates

(6,265 posts)
32. It's not sane washing
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:41 AM
Monday

It's standard journalistic practice to remove repetitions and filler words for the last 100 years.

BumRushDaShow

(160,069 posts)
35. "Standard journalistic practice" would be to paraphrase
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:55 AM
Monday

what was said and select SOME actually-spoken words to put into quotes. That way you remove the "stammering".

But if you are going to quote someone "in whole", and then stick that "in quotes", then you need to put ALL the words there (and/or include a term like "unintelligible" (in parenthesis), if a portion of the remarks could not be heard and/or understood and/or captured accurately due to some issue).

That is what happens when they do transcriptions.

markodochartaigh

(4,001 posts)
29. I certainly agree that journalistic standards have fallen
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:36 AM
Monday

off a very high cliff the last few years. But, in this particular case, I think that including the repetitive filler words elucidates the governor's style as a poor public speaker.

Prairie Gates

(6,265 posts)
31. Yes, inclusion of repetitions and filler words is always an attempt to deride the speaker
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:40 AM
Monday

There are many analyses of how journalists used to include filler words for younger speakers and minority speakers in order to attack and deride them. But that shouldn't be the point of a story. This story is not about how Cox is a poor public speaker. It is about his claims relating to Robinson's cooperation. For that reason, deriding him through direct quotation of his repetitions is unprofessional.

Listen, I dislike the Governor of Utah as much as the next DUer, but this is horrible journalism. It's literally unacceptable in the middle school newspaper.

markodochartaigh

(4,001 posts)
33. Flagged for libeling a very important substance.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:44 AM
Monday

Shit has a major role in removing waste and toxins from our bodies. Shit is also a valuable fertilizer used since the dawn of agriculture. Shit has also warmed countless generations of humans and illuminated our homes as a valuable fuel.

Comparing the sycophantic toady Lee to the valuable product, shit, is defamatory.


joke

miyazaki

(2,532 posts)
36. It states he hasn't been formally charged. So why talk.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:02 AM
Monday

Does the stammering Guv'na forget about ones right to remain silent?

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